Cost of speed

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by dwb, Jan 20, 2005.

  1. dwb

    dwb Guest

    *IF* it stopped even just one accident, you'd probably find that would
    cancel out many of the gains of the speeding.
     
    dwb, Jan 20, 2005
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  2. dwb

    Martin Watts Guest

    Just been on the local news about a dramatic drop in the number of accidents
    in Suffolk since the introduction of speed cameras (the causal relationship
    may or may not be significant).

    I'm a cynical old sod believing that financial and economic factors always
    outweigh social or human needs when HMG pursue a policy. I was a wonderin'
    if anyone had come up with an estimate of the economic cost of everyone
    keeping to the speed limit in this 'time is money' world. If you were also
    to chuck in all road users keeping the correct distance from the vehicle in
    front, I reckon a united front by all road users being good could bring the
    country to its knees, and Bliar & Co. would soon be asking everyone to put
    their lead boots back on.
     
    Martin Watts, Jan 20, 2005
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  3. dwb

    Martin Watts Guest

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    Read again. I did not express any opposition to speed enforcement and
    driving standards. "I'm a cynical old sod believing that financial and
    economic factors always outweigh social or human needs when HMG pursue a
    policy" Should give you a clue about what I oppose.
    You took the words right out of my mouth.
    Obviously
     
    Martin Watts, Jan 20, 2005
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  4. dwb

    Martin Watts Guest

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    Exactly. Just wondered if anyone had ever considered this question. On the
    radio a few weeks ago experts were talking about the strain that would be
    put on certain parts of the road network if road users were to keep the
    correct distances. Can't remember the jist of the argument other than it
    was something worthy of study.
     
    Martin Watts, Jan 20, 2005
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  5. dwb

    Muck Guest

    If motorways are anything to go by, slowing traffic down during peak
    times actually increases the amount of traffic a road can take. Keeping
    the correct distance also reduces the amount of braking a car has to do,
    thus preventing a wave of brake lights from sweeping back through the
    traffic and slowing things by causing stoppages.

    According to a program I saw on telly anyway...

    This may be a load of old bollocks on these crowded A and B roads we
    tend to have.
     
    Muck, Jan 20, 2005
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  6. dwb

    Martin Guest

    [snip]

    IIRC the cost for one RTA death (average offic worker) when you factor
    in emergency services, disruption of traffic flow, removal of vehicle,
    insurance claims, funeral, lost time due to attendance of funeral, job
    interview to replace dead person, training of new person, lost revenue
    during perioud when short staffed and all the relevant paper work
    associated with each of these is about 2,000,000 ukp.

    Which aint cheap.

    --
    Martin:
    "For a minute there, you bored me to death."
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    Martin, Jan 20, 2005
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  7. dwb

    Martin Watts Guest

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    As I suspect, a person's life has been measured in economic terms, although
    as an average orifice worker myself I have difficulty believing that I am
    worth that much to anyone.
     
    Martin Watts, Jan 20, 2005
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  8. dwb

    Martin Guest


    You're not. The cost is carried by taxpayers and business, not one person.


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    Martin, Jan 20, 2005
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  9. dwb

    Martin Watts Guest

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    2,000,000 ukp.
    SWMBO agrees, you must be right.
     
    Martin Watts, Jan 20, 2005
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  10. dwb

    mups Guest

    Martin says...
    That figure is a load of crap. The person would die sometime anyway so
    funeral costs would have to be paid sometime anyway,the same goes for
    any training of new person costs.

    Also did they subtract from that that figure the saving on any social
    services that person might use, savings on pension costs, and of course
    its one less user on the road.

    "Think of the environment"
     
    mups, Jan 20, 2005
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  11. dwb

    tallbloke Guest

    Keeping the correct distance leads to constantly moving traffic with gaps not
    quite big enough to pull out into, which leads to frustrated drivers in side
    roads pulling out and causing waves of brakelights etc. And crashes.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 21, 2005
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  12. dwb

    Muck Guest

    Damn, the master plan to get rid of all the cars foiled again. ;)
     
    Muck, Jan 21, 2005
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  13. dwb

    tallbloke Guest

    For that we need the sprung deck on the road which tips anything heavier than
    a Goldwing(plus dodger) into the pit below.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 21, 2005
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  14. dwb

    platypus Guest

    That's the master plan to get rid of HGVs.
     
    platypus, Jan 21, 2005
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  15. dwb

    tallbloke Guest

    Sorry platy, I'll up the spring rate for the Ural :)
     
    tallbloke, Jan 21, 2005
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  16. dwb

    platypus Guest

    Dnepr.
     
    platypus, Jan 21, 2005
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  17. dwb

    tallbloke Guest

    @text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

    Bless you.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 21, 2005
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  19. dwb

    Martin Guest

    What else do you expect?

    The person would die sometime anyway so
    Agreed however scraping them off the road isn't the routine method of
    transfer to the box, not to mention the investigations into the death etc.
    There's always another one keen to take their place.
    So long as they aren't cremated it shouldn't be too bad.

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    Martin:
    "For a minute there, you bored me to death."
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    martin dot smith nine zero three at ntlworld dot com
     
    Martin, Jan 22, 2005
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  20. dwb

    Ben Blaney Guest

    1st January 1997.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jan 22, 2005
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