Conundrum

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Spete, Apr 27, 2011.

  1. Spete

    Spete Guest

    Let's say you're part of a 'non-geographically based band of brothers'.
    You've had a lot of fun and made some friends here and there. Let's
    further assume you have gone and trusted a few of them so far, as to
    lend them money and/or make good on a promise to repair damaged bits.
    They've been very incommunicado since then.

    Would you grass them up, so other 'brothers' will not fall for their
    version of a friendship or just see it as a lesson learned and move on.
    I have some trouble with the latter, it's been in my mind for ages now.
    I just have some trouble with injustice I guess.

    Discuss....
     
    Spete, Apr 27, 2011
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    Name & shame ;-)
     
    TOG@Toil, Apr 27, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    If it's a few hundred quid/euros then move along, chalk it up to
    experience.

    If it's a lot more then have you exhausted all methods of retrieving the
    money? Written to them? Suggested arbitration/small claims court or
    whatever operates in the jurisdiction concerned.

    The threat of litigation might work. Public humiliation rarely does and can
    often backfire on the instigator as all sorts of dirty washing emerges or
    someone ends up with a bloody nose.
     
    wessie, Apr 27, 2011
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    Mark Olson Guest

    My threshold would be a hell of a lot lower.
    Public humiliation might be too good for someone who takes advantage of
    someone's trust. And what is it you define as 'working'? I'd say exposing
    someone as two-faced and untrustworthy is a valid end in itself, there'd
    be no expectation on my part of ever getting any money back. If there were
    any threats of physical violence that would all be on the miscreant's back.

    I agree with TOG, name and shame.
     
    Mark Olson, Apr 27, 2011
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  5. Spete

    TOG@Toil Guest

    Hang about, it's not me, is it?
     
    TOG@Toil, Apr 27, 2011
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  6. Spete

    Spete Guest

    Too late, you can't undo your opinion :)












    (No, it wasn't you)
     
    Spete, Apr 27, 2011
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    ogden Guest

    According to Wikipedia, Operation Ore led to 1451 convictions, some of
    which would naturally have led to loss of Internet access.
     
    ogden, Apr 27, 2011
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    Krusty Guest

    Grass them up without a second thought[1]. If you find out someone else
    got stiffed because you kept quiet, you'll add guilt to the pissed off
    feeling.

    [1] Assuming you know they're still alive, & not incommunicado because
    they're in a coma or something.
     
    Krusty, Apr 27, 2011
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    From previous conversations I know you can ill afford to write off
    money owed you - you need to collect it somehow. TBH I can't think of
    a better way of doing that than naming and shaming. I would, however,
    give whomever it is a last chance to pay before doing so.
     
    Colin Irvine, Apr 27, 2011
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    Thomas Guest

    Start by taking the high road. Assume there is a plausible excuse for
    their behavior. Give them a chance to make amends with dignity. Then,
    if they don't respond positively, trash 'em.
     
    Thomas, Apr 27, 2011
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    boots Guest

    Mine too.
    Exactly, you're doing your other friends a favour by warning them.
     
    boots, Apr 27, 2011
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    ogden Guest

    Post corrected.

    Too Jewish?
     
    ogden, Apr 27, 2011
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    Higgins Guest

    Maybe I'm being naive but, from my earliest days here, I've had a sense
    that there's always been a degree of honour in the group, maybe as much
    due to the fact that many have met/meet regularly IRL as anything else.

    Many of us have bought stuff[1], transferred funds overseas, etc for
    others with no fear of disappointment and, for me, the recognition that
    reputation is fairly important round these parts has made me quite
    comfortable in doing so.

    As others have said, one last chance to square things up and, if he
    doesn't, name and shame.

    [1]Nige even bought me a car, never having met me before.
     
    Higgins, Apr 27, 2011
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  14. Beats digging a tunnel using mainly spoons.
     
    PipL alter ego, Apr 27, 2011
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    wessie Guest

    Yes. Assuming this is someone on UKRM then you would need to substitute the
    child with cutest kitten.
     
    wessie, Apr 27, 2011
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  16. Spete

    wessie Guest

    Working: getting the money back

    Hence my suggestion to ensure all means have been used to recover the
    debt.

    In the UK, if someone doesn't pay a court debt then their credit rating
    will get screwed which can make life difficult. I think this would have
    more effect than dissing someone's reputation in an internet medium.

    Once that court process had been exhausted and if the debt remained
    unpaid then I might make the outcome of the court judgement public.

    Spete is foreign so might need to use a different approach.
     
    wessie, Apr 27, 2011
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    des Guest

    *snort*

    You _fucking_ jest...
     
    des, Apr 27, 2011
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    Mark Olson Guest

    I feel much the same. I post under my own name[1], and haven't met
    anyone IRL except Grimly, although I very nearly met dnc at Road
    America once. But I have done favors for a few people on the group
    and gotten some in return, all the while knowing that if I tried
    anything on that was even remotely dodgy, I would never live it down,
    and rightly so. There's a few on the group that I would have no
    problem with spending thousands on their behalf, knowing they value
    their reputations as much as I do mine.

    So, anyone who would take advantage of that sort of goodwill, fully
    deserves whatever opprobrium comes their way as a result.

    [1] Although I would not behave any differently if I used a pseudonym.
     
    Mark Olson, Apr 27, 2011
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    des Guest

    <fx: squints...>

    --
    des
    'The reason grandparents and grandchildren get on so well is that they
    have a common enemy'
    (Sam Levenson (1911 - 1980))
    <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
     
    des, Apr 27, 2011
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    Krusty Guest

    It never actually crossed my mind that Spete was talking about UKRM. I
    assumed it was some other group.
     
    Krusty, Apr 27, 2011
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