Contributions Invited: The Walker Lie List

I havent tried too hard to keep up here about the Kid getting the
motorcycle, by means of a few folks that cared and wanted to help.
Therefore I would like to cut to the chase, so to speak.
I'll ask Morgan, Albert, Bill and Brian this question? That makes it
fair, two on each side of the issue.
(Q?) 1. How long ago did this take place?
2. Approximatey how much was the average donation by each T.M.
contributor.? (Was the amount publized)
3. How much was paid for the motorcycle for the 15 year old, little
fellow from Okla?
4. Why would anyone help, knowing there wasn't a Title? Did yall know
before hand?
5. Did the kid really sell it on eBay?If so,
oes anyone know how much over what was paid for it?
{bjay}

 

Couple of years ago, as I recall..

Why is that important ? Parts for the bike came from one contributor..The
bike, itself was sitting in the garage of another contributor..The
transportation of the bike was handled by yet another and if I recall the
trailer that hauled it to Oklahoma was loaned by yet another.. How/why would
the price be consistent with any of those efforts. Who knows ?

Again.. it doesn't matter who paid what for the motorcycle, maybe it was a
gift to the man who owned it.. but it was "his" and he gave it freely..

Knowing the fellow who owned that motorcycle, I'm sure there was a title to
it.. Everyone took the word of Sunny Williams, that it was a worthy cause
and the kid was of good character, had a desire to get himself a motorcycle
that he could grow into when he was old enough to ride..You see.. he was too
young to even be licensed .. Sunny represented his cause on a this
newsgroup, claimly she knew him, his family .. personally.. She later
recanted and claimed he was another of her usenet "friends" who she'd never
met.. More importantly.. without her positive input on behalf of that little
scam artist.. none of the good people who were player, none of them would
have been involved..None of them would probably have been involved if Sunny
had been upfront and told them all, that her only experience with that kid
was on usenet..

Yessir.. along with quite a bit of other items that he'd gotten by these
same tactics.. LOL.. Whatever he got was more than he had, wasn't it ? How
would anyone know how much money changed hands on a usenet transaction.? It
doesn't matter if it was a quarter or a thousand dollars.. That kid scammed
a lot of good hearted people on this newsgroup and Sunny Williams helped him
to do it.. Regardless of all the usenet dancing and after the fact second
guessing, there were several people had reservations about the entire mess,
from the beginning.. Confidence and trust in Sunny Williams enabled that boy
to scam her friends on this newsgroup..

Your Friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

I guess, the little bit I read here, made me think ya'll actually
donated money, to buy the young man the motorcycle. That there was a
post by Sunny, asking if any TXMotos wanted to contibute, to the cause.

I guess that's what I thought the scam was , you guys , loosing your
money that you donated, because of Sunny. But actually the boy was the
promoter of the scam?? (I'll 'clare).And because the boy didnt like it,
and he sold it, or something.
This is why you all are complaining, I see!

Bill, you are saying no money was involved, that you and others donated
parts, and transportation, and efforts, time, etc, trying to help the
boy.

And you all were disappointed that the boy, sold it, and made a profit,
on a gift from ya'll.
But, I can see, now, that the little boy knew what he was doing, right?

Bill, did you ever see the motorcycle in question, atleast a picture of
it? what about the okla boy? (bjay)

 

There wasn't any money involved, Bjay.. One guy had the motorcycle in his
garage.. another had a lot of parts for the bike.. Another man offered to
take the bike to the kid in Oklahoma, and still another one furnished the
trailer to haul it on, from what I understood.. No one had ever heard of the
kid, until Sunny introduced him as a personal friend and declared that he
was completely legit.. The story was, that he was extremely needy and had
some very sad, family background..

Sunny's part of the deal was, that she knew the boy personally.. Even
though, she had an extra motorcycle sitting at her house, she appealed to
her newsgroup friends to help that little con artist get one delivered to
him.. The story was that he wanted to grow up and become a biker .. He
wanted one that would be something like a starter bike, that he could work
on and learn to ride.. Supposedly, he was fourteen years old..

(I'll 'clare).And because the boy didnt like it,

After he got the motorcycle, the kid's uncle was riding it, within a couple
of days, or so.. Keep in mind.. this kid wasn't old enough to get a
license.. but he was old enough to shop and sell on e-bay and other "for
sale" newsgroups.. Evidently, he'd pulled the same scam in other groups of
interest to him.. and had quite an accumulation of items that could be sold
on various groups.. When he offered that motorcycle for sale, these people
donated to his needy self, the entire story began to unravel..A few people,
myself included.. did not get involved .. There were quite a few holes in
the whole thing.. More than one person on tx.motorcycles pointed them out ..

One consideration was the parental consent for a kid that age, to own a
motorcycle.. Sunny also claimed to have arranged all that and being a
personal friend of that family, she had first hand knowledge that it was all
agreed upon.. Anyway you slice it, Sunny either lied about all that .. to
her newsgroup friends and unwittingly helped that kid to scam them, through
her influence, or she lied and was complicit with him to scam them.. Either
way, she lied .. it happened and several of Sunny's newsgroup friends got
burned for their efforts to help..Shortly after all of it came to light,
Sunny and the kid disappeared from tx.motorcycles.. She wound up on another
motorcycle newsgroup, and he just plain ol' disappeared..

Nope.. I keep on saying that my only contribution was nothing more than a
couple of comments.. Money didn't get involved until that little con artist
started selling his scammed "donations" which included that motorcycle..

He sure did, and so did Sunny.. IMHO.. So did several other people who got
roped in on the deal.. It would have been entirely different, if Sunny and
that kid had solicited donations for that kid to sell and raise money for
his needy circumstances.. The way it was promoted and perpetrated made it
the scam that it turned out to be..

I keep on saying that I didn't want any part of the deal.. I never saw the
motorcycle, I knew the man who donated it.. I sure never saw the kid in
Oklahoma.. LOL... I did see the posts him and Sunny plastered this newsgroup
with, for days/weeks.. Some of his posts were borderline infantile.. If his
posts were any indication, that boy wasn't mature enough to ride a bicycle,
much less a motorcycle of any kind.. He also, wasn't of age to be licensed..
At any rate, before a kid that age is given anything like a motorcycle,
someone connected to him, parent/guardian or close relative, should give
consent.. Sunny claimed that she'd done that.. As far as I know, no one else
did.. That motorcycle is a Titled vehicle.. kinda sorta like giving a kid a
firearm, there are restrictions .. The holder of that title would be held
responsible, in the event of an accident involving that vehicle..

Regards, Bjay..

Your Friend in Irving
Bill Walker