Continuous insurance

This just cropped up in my news feed - apparently they're introducing a
fixed penalty fine of £100 if you don't keep stuff insured now:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Motorinsurance/DG_186696

This is a pain in the neck: I'm pretty sure I've let the insurance lapse on
one of the CB500s in my shed which I've kept taxing because it's cheap
enough and I couldn't be bothered to SORN it.

 

SORNing the vehicle is hardly an onerous task and you'd get a refund of the
RFL duty paid.

The potential for a fine will hopefully get people to send off the forms to
DVLA more promptly after a vehicle is sold. It's a PITA if you buy a
vehicle and the old owner takes ages to send the V5 back to DVLA. Now,
sellers should be very keen to get the change of owner registered ASAP.

 

It's still a bloody PITA if you've got a few 'non-runners', as I have
(TS250ER restoration project, TS250ER donor bike, Honda 400 Four
frame). The first is in a pile of boxes. The second is intact but
ain't going anywhere, guv. The third is just that - a frame WLB.

What narks me right now is the fact that the new V5s effectively
forbid you to scrap a vehicle yourself. Yes, OK, OK, I know all the
environmental reasons behind it, but there are times, I've found, when
you're left with a bare frame that's u/s (I'm thinking of one I had
whose lower tubes were rusted through) and therefore unsaleable. And
now you aren't allowed to bin it yourself, and if you keep it you have
to keep SORNing it.

 

"It will not apply in Northern Ireland"

Hoorah

 

As you are setting up a business, register as an ATF and offer it as
aservice to UKRM etc
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/regulation/65470.aspx/

 

Actually, according to that link, motorcycles are exempt. So far. So I
owe some bureaucrat an apology.

What's*really* interesting is this:

"Whilst some aspects of the ELV Regulations only apply to the vehicle
types
covered by the ELV Directive (e.g. cars and vans), the site permitting
and
treatment requirements have been extended to include all waste motor
vehicles, including motorcycles, lorries, coaches and buses."

(http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/static/documents/Business/
GEHO0209BPIC-E-E.pdf)

So motorcycles are indeed exempt, but if you have a scrapping site,
then the scrapping requirements treat bikes the same as cars.

OK, now Google "motorcycles + ELV" and you get a number of scrappies
who imply that you must scrap a bike through them. Which wouldn't seem
to be strictly true.

One does say this:-

"When an ELV is brought to us, we will usually have to issue a
Certificate of Destruction (CoD) to the owner; this is your proof that
the vehicle has been transferred and will be treated to the required
standards set by Environment Agency and DVLA before being destroyed.
In the case of motorcycles a COD is not available at this present
moment in time. In these cases it's called a NOD. We will issue you
with our own NOD, which will allow you to keep these for your
records."

But doesn't say that only they and their ilk can issue such an NOD.

(http://www.ukmotorbikesalvage.co.uk/ATF_ELV.html)

And this lot:

http://www.promotorcyclesalvage.co.uk/what_is_atf.php

says: "We then issue you with a DVLA Certificate of Destruction to
notify you that the motorcycle has been disposed of legally."

But according to the other lot, there's no such document.

Where's Pip or other Elf N Safety people?

 

Woooah! It's not quite so doom and gloom... Just read between the lines a
bit.

<reaches for new-style red V5C>
"Scrapping your vehicle
You cannot use the V5C to tell us you have scrapped your vehicle.
You should take the vehicle to an Authorised Treatment Facility (ATF) and
they should issue a Certificate of Destruction (CoD). If you do not
receive a CoD immediately please fill in section 9 of the V5C and send to
DVLA.
If you have broken up the vehicle yourself, you must either tax it or
tell us you are keeping it off the public road by making a SORN, until
you take it to an ATF or tell us you no longer have it."

Couple of interesting bits of wording in there, isn't there...?

They don't say you can't scrap it yourself. They just say you SHOULD take
it to an ATF, and they don't say you can't tell 'em it's been scrapped by
you - just that you can't use the V5C to do so.

Sooo... Just break it as ever, then send the V5C back with a covering
letter saying "I've scrapped it". Job jobbed.

Theoretically.

 

Yeah, looks that way. Except that the pikier breakers would have you
believe otherwise.

 

Of course they would. They want you to give them money as well as giving
them something they can make money from.

 

Does it?
The registered keeper will be committing an offence by not declaring it
as off-road , but if the driver's insurance policy has CIHAGM cover.......

 

In what way? I'm not trying to start an argument I just couldn't see
anything on thaty page that specifically addressed that issue

 

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:52:19 -0800 (PST), "TOG@Toil"



<snip> Motorcycle scrapage stuff.

So... a bit of a grey area still?

 

if you click on from Jim's original URL you get to
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourRegistrationCertificate/DG_4022057

"If you have a vehicle other than those already mentioned,
you still need to take your vehicle to an ATF to ensure
it’s destroyed to environmental standards. They’ll arrange
for the vehicle record at DVLA, to be updated with a
Notification of Destruction."

That page is where I got the link I posted. So, the scrappies
saying you need a certificate are only quoting govt advice

 

The problem is, apparently, all those cunts who live in London.

http://stayinsured.askmid.com/hotspot.html

Worse than scousers! Who knew?

 

Yeah, but that link also says:

"If you have broken up the vehicle yourself, you must either continue
to tax it or tell the DVLA that you are keeping it off the public
road. You can do this by making a SORN (Statutory Off Road
Notification). You will need to make a SORN every year until you have
taken it to an ATF, or told DVLA that you longer have it."

So on the strength of the last eight words, no problem.

 

Not if you're taking it to a pre-arranged MOT. The argument really does
still live on!

 

:

transfer it to an address in NI. I imagine you have at least 2 on file...

 

How do you tax something without insurance?

 

Or use any old address for the buyer. Better still, give the address
of someone who's pissed you off, and let the DVLA hassle them for a
SORN declaration every year until hell freezes over. Or (as I think I
said some months ago) just declare it exported.

 

Send a note to the DVLA saying "Nicked from my garage Stop. Plod informed
Stop. **** off Stop."