[QUOTE="Switters"] Are you suggesting/admitting vandalising and/or destroying them? Perhaps most people, whilst upset about the erosion of civil liberties, aren't willing to go as far as what you're insinuating.[/QUOTE] I think Thermite is probably the absolute best solution as it destroys the case and camera inside. You will need to befriend a steeplejack or railway worker. It helps if you are not a completely TC [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5320092.stm[/URL] <chortle>