Continental Road Attack tire question

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Bodine, May 11, 2008.

  1. Bodine

    Bodine Guest

    While installing the Road Attack tires I just purchased, we came
    across a question of which way is the correct rotation. The front tire
    has the arrow on the sidewall with "front" inside the arrow. Does
    "front" refer to the rotation or the actual front of the bike? Because
    of the inverted writing, if the tire is mounted with the text
    readable, the arrow would be pointed either against the rotation or
    towards the rear of the bike. I mounted it as the rotation, but
    noticed that it causes the tread pattern of the front to be opposite
    of the rear. Which is correct?
     
    Bodine, May 11, 2008
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  2. Bodine

    paul c Guest


    There are probably some deep physics involved here which are beyond me,
    to do with pressures and directions and fluids, but in practice any
    arrow when viewed from the left side of the tire, should point forward,
    ie in the same direction as the bike's normal direction of motion.
    Bicycles are the same even though their tires don't usually have arrows
    on the sidewall. If you straddle some tires, assuming the fender
    doesn't hide their surface completely, there may be diagonal grooves
    which form a sort-of arrow as you look down. That imaginary arrow
    should point in the normal direction of motion. Seems counter-intuitive
    if one imagines viewing the tire bottom from underneath the road's
    surface instead of from above.
     
    paul c, May 11, 2008
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  3. Bodine

    paul c Guest

    paul c wrote:
    ....

    Oops,sorry, left or right doesn't matter.
     
    paul c, May 11, 2008
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  4. Bodine

    . Guest

    Install the tires so they rotate in the direction of the arrows. Don't
    worry about the tread pattern.
     
    ., May 11, 2008
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  5. Bodine

    Bodine Guest


    The funny thing is, Continental inverts all of the writing on the Road
    Attack so that it is read from the tread side of the tire, not the rim
    side, like normal tires. That allows you to see the cool race flag
    pattern, but is the cause of the confusion. On a normal tire, you
    would read across the top of the tire, where the writing is right side
    up. If that were the case, the arrow and writing would be OK. On the
    Road Attack, you read across the bottom, where the "front" text inside
    the arrow is right side up, but the arrow would point forward, against
    the forward rotation. That's why I'm wondering if the text "front"
    refers to the rotation or the physical front of the bike.
     
    Bodine, May 12, 2008
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  6. Bodine

    paul c Guest

    heh, heh, obviously i'm not familiar with Continentals, sounds like
    "dot's" answer was much better than mine, just ignore the text and
    follow the arrow!
     
    paul c, May 12, 2008
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  7. Okay. Just to keep everybody on their toes.

    The top of the tire travels forward down the road at twice the speed of the
    bike. This is the direction the tire must rotate to cause the bike to have
    forward motion.
    The portion of the tire in contact with the road is stationarary at all
    times. Except while sliding, then it too travels in the same direction as
    the top of tire, and the bike.

    Think: The arrow must somehow get in front of the bike (axle on the
    wheel). The arrow must accellerate from zero two twice the bike speed and
    back to zero repeatedly for there to be any forward motion.

    Since the top of the tire must travel so fast, the tread pattern should not
    be such that it would cause turbulence by 'pumping' air in advance of the
    bike. The tread on the bottom just sits there and has a cool nmemonic. The
    contact patch. (the wide part and the end of the pleasure trail)

    :)

    Install the tires so they rotate in the direction of the arrows. Don't
    worry about the tread pattern.
     
    Erronous Monk, May 12, 2008
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  8. Bodine

    paul c Guest


    Heh, heh, I guess that might confirm that the physics are over my head,
    still it's hard to see how the bottom of the tire can be
    stopped/stationary while the top moves, something must give, not the
    rider I hope! I would have thought the tread, if there is any any
    should be such as to promote a slight flattening of the tire bottom as
    it begins to touch the road, ie., good contact.


    (Besides, I thought the front wheel is always sliding a little from side
    to side even if the bike appears to be going in a straight line.)
     
    paul c, May 12, 2008
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  9. Bodine

    Bodine Guest


    OK, I get it. But now my head hurts. And we won't even get into road
    contact and coefficiant of drag. But here's the response I got from
    Continental.

    "Dear Mr. Crowder,

    The orientation of the ContiRoad Attack front has recently been
    revised. We responded to feed-back from the markets about maximising
    the already incredible durability of the original front tread pattern.
    After the launch of the ContiSport Attack test riders commented on the
    fact that the reversed tread direction gave much more uniform wear
    across the tyres section and so the ContiRoad Attack front pattern was
    switched in late October 2006 to take advantage of this better wear
    characteristic. Some confusion exists because in some plants outside
    of Germany have a tread mould with small arrows at the edge of the
    tread near the sidewall, these arrows should be ignored. These moulds
    are being replaced. ContiRoad attack customers may be offered the same
    tyre with apparently two different directions of rotation. The tread
    pattern on both tyres is fine. Riders should be aware that all
    relevant and legally required information regarding speed rating and
    direction of rotation is moulded into the side-wall of the tyre, not
    the tread, so be sure your tyre is fitted in accordance with the
    directional arrow on the sidewall regardless of which way the pattern
    runs.

    Mit den besten Gruessen/Best regards

    Florian Sollich
    Sales International
    Continental Motorcycle Tyres

    Continental AG
    P.O. Box 169, 30001 Hannover, Germany"

    It's nice to get an actual response from a large company, not a form
    letter. Feeling better about my selection already. And the tires feel
    great.
     
    Bodine, May 16, 2008
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  10. Bodine

    paul c Guest


    I went back to the original post which mentioned the word 'front' inside
    the 'arrow' on the 'sidewall'. Good for Continental for replying, but
    how does the change of arrows on the tread answer your original question?


    (My confusion may have to do with lack of pot or that I'm still trying
    to understand how the top of a tire accelerates while the bottom is
    motionless, whether the bike is accelerating or not!)
     
    paul c, May 16, 2008
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  11. Bodine

    ottguit Guest

    It seems to me that the directional arrows to notify us which way to
    mount the tire, depending if it was going onto the Front or the Rear
    of the Bike.
    I didn't think they did that anymore.
    Bg
     
    ottguit, May 18, 2008
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  12. Bodine

    Ian Singer Guest

    Not sure that makes any sense as the front and rear wheels rotate in the
    same direction if they are on the ground.

    Ian Singer


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    Ian Singer, May 18, 2008
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  13. Bodine

    ottguit Guest

    The reason for mounting the tire differently on back and front was
    because on the rear tire was mounted with the treads pointed for
    Acceleration and in front it was mounted the opposite direction for
    Braking .
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    ottguit, May 19, 2008
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