contesting speeding fine

Isn't there some way that the copper can be .. not just embarrassed but
'punished'?

Abusing the power of the uniform is (IMHO (no doubt due to my childhood
years being spent with the uniform at the dinner table)) one of the worst
abuses. They should be told when they get their warrant cards: lie, even
once, and you're out of the force and there's a ten-year prison sentence
waiting for you.

D.

 

you are right of course, I meant the section of the A57 between me
seeing the policebike and him pulling me over.
now I've looked on gmaps, the section of road is actually called
Cadishead Way, its the bypass which runs along manchester ship canal
the limit there is definitely 50-40-50.

On the ticket the location says Liverpool Road, is this just a
technicality or another reason to pursue getting this charge dismissed

 

{ much snippage }

A few people I know here have had their keys taken away during 'routine'
stops. Despite poring over every legal text to which I have access, I can
find no basis for this. Car drivers don't (AFAIK) get told to hand over
their keys when they're stopped.

The problem here in France is that the police have powers that would make
Brit plod cream in their boxers. Not only does every one of them carry a
handgun, but they can basically do whatever they want, and justify it
_a posteriori_.

There was even a judgement by (IIRC, as I've sold my copy of the Penal Code
on ebay) the Bordeaux Court of Appeals in (again, IIRC) 1996 which upheld
the convictions for 'rebellion' (I jest not, that's what they call it) of
two people who resisted two gendarmes who i) were in plain clothes, ii)
hadn't identified themselves and iii) were carrying out an arrest that
would later be judged unlawful. The message was clear: even when French
plod are acting outwith the law, you _must_ submit to them.

Fucking bollox. As far as I'm concerned, any cop who oversteps his
authority should be resisted, up to and including by the use of lethal
force where necessary.

D.

 

IME they (used to at least) have to be pretty specific in identifying
the section of road on which the alleged offence occurred.

There are times when it helps to pull off your helmet to reveal grey
hair. Did I ever tell the story about being stopped doing 85 with no
back light on the M6 on the way back from the BMF AGM?

Must have been low on his nick quota.

As others have said, you should get legal advice. The problem being that
without you being able to submit corroborating evidence the lying ****
could make it stick if he is prepared to pile lie upon lie.

Any CCTV along that road? Get a brief to try and get hold of the footage
for the date and time in question to prove the actual place you were
stopped.


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FFS.

If you google hard enough you will find a thread on sex change
operations back a few months.

 

See a solicitor, sounds like you have a good case.

 

AOL - had a non traffic officer try something similar after some
overtaking in the car. When I wouldn't admit to speeding he got his
breathalyser out, since I was on my way out for a beer that didn't
work either.

 

At the very least, ring up or see a solicitor. Most will let you walk
in, discuss the problem and will then decide if it's worth fighting.
Doing this will cost you nothing, and it would be foolish not to.

 

The part of the A57 he refers to is called Liverpool Road for about 3
miles(part urban, part residential-ish and part dual carriageway) and
the bit called Cadishead Way is a further mile on top of that
(basically a bypass around the back of Irlam's industrial zone).

Plod seems to be rather imprecise.

 

Certainly was a week ago, when I drove along it.

See my reply to Pete Fisher about the road.

Plod is wrong by at least half a mile, in terms of the road name and
giving himself 3 miles of road to play with by referring to Liverpool
Road.

It's as daft as stating "M6" on the ticket and about as precise.

Challenge this. Get a solicitor on the job.

 

What allusions do you expect for a bloke with no bollox, Eunuch?
Cultural referents or some such innit. It wouldn't have worked with
eunuck, we haven't ever had one. Given that it would've looked damned
silly if it had been... 'It don't matter how hard you google you won't
find a eunuck mentioned in any sig in ukrm'.

 

Depends on circumstances dunnit. At first glance and all that. It is
all about collecting the evidence and you have to start somewhere.

 

Looks like the Earth is all yours then, enjoy your inheritance.

David

 

"They all look the same don't they ?"

I wondered about that, but James sounds the type to be sticking to the
30 limit anyway.


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I know I'm elderly and I appreciate that Altzhemiers can slowly catch
up on you, but what the buggery bollocks are you wittering on about?

You must be frigging ancient.

Ged

 

'that doesn't mean you're not going to get gaoled for it', means that you
might get gaoled for it, or you might not get gaoled for it.

'you're not going to get gaoled for it', means it's _certain_ that you're
not going to get gaoled for it.

And no, I'm not on recreational drugs. Well, not today, anyway.

D.

 

He lives in the Red Queen world where words mean what he wants them to
mean rather than what everyone else thinks they mean.

No - he's just unadjacent to our contiguous reality[1].

Phil.

[1] OK - I made this one up.

 

and of course there remains the possibility that it was not a real
policeman on a bike at all but one of those sad fuckers who get a hard
on by impersonating the thin blue line.

 

Sorry, I might just be me, but I don't think you're making sense. Is
English your primary language or are you one of these foreigners I've
read about in the newspapers?

Stop taking the percadon. Man.

Ged

 

I think I know what you mean.

Or do I?

I've been speaking to a solicitor about a professional imdemnity
claim[1] and she asked me if I had any contemporaneous notes. "You
what?" said I. "Contemporaneous notes. Notes you took at the time.
Have you got any?" "Noooooo..."...at which time it suddenly dawned on
me that we're fucked.[2]

Ged
[1]Just an innocent bystander, me
[2]The company I work for[3]
[3]More accurately, the insurance company of the company I'm working
for