Conflict Resolotion 101 - Rebels style

Or... How to get a woody by terrorising old farts.

Canberra Times:
http://tinyurl.com/bc286l

Australasia Biker news
http://dinosmc.com/news/rebuly2.htm

MC http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2005/ulysses_rebels.htm

Of course, all these people are lying.

What actually happened, is that the Ulysses Club reps went to the
Rebels's fortress ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H clubhouse for a friendly chat and a
cup of tea.

The Rebels politely asked the Ulyssians (how do like your tea?) if
they would be so kind as to perhaps, sort of quietly, humbly suggest
to their members if they'd consider (one sugar, or two?) not wearing
rockers or patches because too many Rebels were cracking up and having
hysterical nevous breakdowns (arrowroot bickie?) at the mere thought
of Ulyssians wearing Ulysses rockers and Ulysses patches.

Twenty Rebel members are said to have ridden their Harleys off The
Gap (in formation) because they just couldnt cope any more. The
Rebels are said to be in crisis, with club funds rapidly drying up due
to the huge costs of counselling and self-medication.

The Ulyssians, upon becoming aware of the vast emotional trauma and
mental devastation they were causing the Rebles by having Ulysses
rockers and patches on their Ulysses colours, naturally complied
immediately, apopogising profusely for their patent insensitivity and
arrogance.

After the usual hugs and kisses, the Rebels bade their newfound
friends farewell in the spirit of true brotherhood...

Well... that's what happened... according to OzMoto's mole inside
the Outlaw club scene...

More scoops as they come to hand...

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Onya bike

Gerry

 

It has always been the case that Ulysses club members were not to color
in the Ulysses logo or to add rockers to it (either above or below).

That gentlemans agreement has existed virtually since the inception of
the Ulysses club and is a result of the discussion around the wearing of
the Ulysses 'patch' on the rear of a jacket or cut off. The compromise
was 'no rockers or colours'.

And this recent problem was caused by some Ulysses members ignoring that
gentlemans agreement and also ignoring the advice of other Ulysses
members not to do it.

Do I agree with the threats of violence? Of course not, but I don't
agree with people adding colour or rockers to the Ulysses logo either.

I never thought it would be necessary for the Ulysses club to actually
issue directives about this but there are people lacking common sense
everywhere.

They brought this situation on themselves.


G-S

Ulysses 22211

 

I am waiting for Gorge to say to Gerry, welcome to 2005


I am a true believer that the bullied sometimes simply asked to be
bullied


mh

 

Two groups of Ulysses in South East Queensland have tried to use rockers and
colours for some time; they act like wannabees and are a real pain to the
Ulysses club as a whole. Whilst I have been a member of Ulysses for 6 years
I do not ride with them or go to meetings, in the brief contacts I have had
with them too many of them act like absolute wankers, and most of them have
very poor riding skills.



Boxer

 

If they want to wear colours they have the option of joining an
established club or starting their own.

At the time, Ulysses Club national president Rick Bedford said that
Ulysses was a social club for older motorcyclists and he found it
frustrating some members wanted to appear they were gang members.

"We're not a motorcycle gang, we don't fit their lifestyle and why
people in our club would want to emulate that by looking like them has
got me confused."

If the outlaw clubs were as violent as Gerry makes them out to be,
"psychopathic, monstrous, power-crazy, control-freak, stand-over thugs"
these blokes would have had their blocks knocked off in no uncertain
terms and their patches stripped.

That members of several clubs did *not* resort to violence in the face
of comments like "Get fucked, we'll wear what we like." gives the lie to
Gerry's characterisation of them as "psychopathic, monstrous,
power-crazy, control-freak, stand-over thugs"

Seems to me they went to great lengths to resolve the situation peacefully;

http://www.ozbiker.org/news_current/ulysses_rebels_meeting_5_6_05.htm

"Local Qld media allege that more than 100 Ulysses social club members
plan to meet their national executive at the Logan City Tavern on
Tuesday to discuss the total ban on top and bottom rockers surrounding
their "Old Man" centre logo.
The ban was a result of a meeting between the Ulysses executive and the
Rebels in March.

Ulysses cover-up

The ban was the culmination of numerous ignored requests from various
OMC's around Australia, with the Rebels finally pushing the point to
resolution, at the Ulysses national gathering in Canberra.
At the time, dissident members of the Ulysses voiced their disapproval
at their administration over the unilateral decree, vowing to contest
the decision ..

Below is a statement issued by a representative of the Ulysses National
body, after a meeting held at the Rebels National Clubhouse at Bringelly
in Southwest Sydney at 8.00 p.m. Tuesday 15th March.

MEETING WITH REBELS M.C.C. - Kim Kennerson - 17-Mar-05

Firstly:

A Rocker is defined as either one or two separate curved or straight
patches around or near the main patch (e.g. the Old Man Logo) and may
contain a name, nickname, area, city, country or similar. These are
traditionally worn on the back of a vest or jacket.

Colours are those worn by Outlaw motorcycle clubs that are earned by
members over a period of time of up to two years after completing
various tests and conditions and are worn only when full membership is
attained. They are the particular Club patch with one or two rockers.
Upon our return home from the Ulysses Club A.G.M. in Canberra an
opportunity arose to meet with the Rebels M.C.C. regarding the Rockers
Issue.
After several communications between a local Ulysses member known to the
Rebels National President Alex Vella, an invitation was extended from
Alex for executive Ulysses members to attend their meeting at the Rebels
National Clubhouse at Bringelly in Southwest Sydney at 8.00 p.m. Tuesday
15th March. (A rare occurrence)

Vic Lesslie , the local Ulyssian member and I accepted.

To give a brief outline prior to coming to the crux of the meeting and
it’s outcome.
The Rebels M.C.C as do other similar outlaw clubs have very strict rules
and protocol and one needs to understand how these guys think, act and
more important to us react.
In their minds they have shown signs of respect towards the Ulysses Club
by certain actions to Vic and I which has included such things as the
invitation to the clubhouse, a cordial welcome and allowing us to drink
from their bar prior to the meeting.
If this sounds trivial to you I assure you it is not trivial to them.
They also told us that they have returned vests (after removing rockers)
taken from some of our members as a sign of respect.
This is not normally done.
Once their meeting commenced we were asked to leave the clubhouse and
were escorted to the main gate, as were their non fully-fledged members,
non members are not allowed on the club grounds when a meeting is being
held without invitation).
After a period of time we were summoned to return and were escorted back
to the meeting.
Expectations of a quiet face to face meeting with Alex and a few others
was quickly dispelled as we walked into a hall full of Rebels all seated
awaiting our arrival.
Three seats were already allocated for us facing Alex who was seated
with six of his lieutenants, three either side, with the remaining 40 –
50 members behind us.
Vic Lesslie and I have been to many meetings in our life for a multitude
of reasons and this is the one we will both never ever forget.

Despite the many inaccurate rumours abounding on this subject the
following are the facts of the matter and the outcome of the meeting.

Alex Vella was and still is the supreme commander of the Rebels
nationally and what he states regarding any Rebel issue is final word.
We have been told that the actions and directions taken in Canberra by
our National President Rick Bedford regarding Ulysses members not to
wear rockers is commendable and from Alex Vella’s viewpoint the right
decision.
We were told in no uncertain terms that the wearing of rockers and
colours is the domain of Outlaw Clubs and not the Ulysses Club and that
they were aware of past occasions when other Outlaw Club’s had raised
this matter and unless resolved will be an ongoing problem for us.

They feel very strongly about any Club’s rules and they expect the
leaders of our club to enforce our rule on not wearing rockers and if we
don’t, they will do it their own way.
Two branches of Ulysses were mentioned in particular as having come to
their attention and NatCom will contact these branches directly to
discuss the matter.
One of these Branches is alleged to have members who have told the
Rebels “ get fucked ,we will wear what we like”.
When this was mentioned it did not go down well with those present
Needless to say these members have drawn attention to their Branch and
we believe will be watched closely by the Rebels whether we like it or not.
Another statement made that was also taken note of was a scenario that
if three Ulysses Club members were pulled over on the road because one
was wearing rockers then all three will be dealt with in the same manner.
All members should be aware of this when riding with any other member
foolhardy enough to ride with rockers on their back.

They respect the Old Man Patch on the back of ours jackets and vests but
expect to see nothing else, especially top or bottom rockers, or
anything resembling Outlaw colours
They are not concerned with what we wear on the front of our gear.
We understand that some members feel strongly about their civil rights
to wear whatever they wish but as a National Committee we have a
responsibility for the well- being and safety of all our members and we
are not prepared to put this in jeopardy.
If any members choose to ignore this and other warnings they do so at
their own risk and those of other innocent members.
Any member who places the safety of his/her fellow members at risk by
such actions will be expelled from the Club.

To make it very clear and to put it in plain English the Ulysses Club
Inc has a new rule – NO ROCKERS and NO IMITATION OUTLAW COLOURS.

Kim Kennerson, National Secretary.
Vic Lesslie, National Treasurer."

 

Gezzz this stuff is 4 years old

 

Maybe so, but the point I've been trying to make is not.

Interestingly most seem to side with the bullies rather than the
bullied.

THAT's what I find so interesting.

The eagerness to excuse bullying just because they ride bikes.

Even the denial that any bullying is happening.

Amazing.


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

By what definition of 'most' tonto? The two or three who have had any input
to the conversation or the 1000+ who have said nothing?

P

 

Mutations of this topic have been aired for years now, and that's the
way I've read the responses.

What's your take on this then?


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Nope, I excuse it because in this particular case the 'bullied' brought
it on themselves. Not that 'bullying' is an accurate term anyway.

Payback (which didn't actually happen by the way!) would be more accurate.

Bullying is what happens when one person or group picks on another
person or group without a reason and simply for the enjoyment (or other
benefit they get out of it eg money).

In this case there was a reason, the ignoring of the long running
gentlemans agreement not to add colour or rockers to the old man patch.

Put it this way; if I was walking along a street past a group of people
(an extended family say) and they attacked me just because I was there
I'd be rightly pissed off (that'd be getting 'bullied').

If OTOH I walked past the same family group and they ignored me until
and said "I fucked your sister you fucking losers" and they beat the
shit out of me... well I'd think that I'd probably asked for it!

Those two Ulysses chapters fall well and truly into the second sort of
group (stupidly provoking people and ignoring advice to stop it).

That's not bullying in my book (it may be in yours), in mine that'd be
defending your turf.



G-S

 

Some Imams are "true believers that" [sic] the raped simply asked to
be raped.

Some dudes doing time are "true believers that" [sic] the mugged
simply asked to be mugged.

And some psychopathic wife bashers are "true believers that" [sic]
the bashed wives simply asked to be bashed.

Yes, mh (Marty???), I hear you loud and clear...

I know _exactly_ where you're coming from...

I bet you have a VERY LARGE motorcycle...

[chuckle][snort][guffaw][snicker]

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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Boxer wrote:

Aye, Ulysses members are like americans..... individually some of the
nicest people you could wish to me.... but in big groups..... :-(

To be fair, Gerry does have a point about the 1%ers telling folk what
they may, or may not wear. But, since I couldn't care less about what
happens to folk trying to "look the part" I can't work up much
enthusiasm to argue the toss.

I feel more strongly about the Blue gang who, with threats, make us wear
helmets, but, even that doesn't annoy me that much that I'd waste my
time and effort trying to change the situation.

I do have a riding vest, with the Old Bloke logo on the back.

I was under the impression that from the very earliest days of the U.C.
there had been a specific thought to avoid any thing even remotely like
rockers. There was certainly great fuss made of the fact that U.C.
didn't,doesn't and shouldn't ever have "Chapters".

Again, my understanding was that the U.C. was aimed to be one big club,
without internal divisions.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

what do you call being ing threatened with physical violence, the
burning of your bike, etc. If you don't think that that's bullying
behaviour, then I don't know what is.

Payback for what, exactly ? For imitating a clothing style?

The down't own the IT on the _concept_ of colours, rockers, patches,
etc, and even if they did, there's a lawful way to pursue such
"transgressioin". The do NOT have any right to bully, stand-over, or
harm anyone.

Why are you excusing these thugs?

Because they ride bikes?
Because you're shit scared of them?
Why?

So far, so good...

Nah... Disagree... Bullying is defined by the type of behaviour, not
the "reason" for which it is done.

What have we here? Another case of a moral compass spinning wildly?

So, Geoff, if I break an agreement you and I have, that excuses you
using Mafia tactics? Really?

Also, I challenge you use of the term "gentlemen's agreement".
Gentlemen don't threaten, intimidate, or use stando-over tactics.
Genetlemen settle their differences via the legal system.
You might have heard the of the term "the rule of law". Well, that's
what this is all about.

These thugs reckon you can't break one of their whacky "laws" (even
though, as a non-member, those laws do not bind you), yet they flout
our nation's laws whenever it suits them. Hypocrites - the fucking
lot of them.

And you excuse them. Interesting...

I'm with you so far...

You have a point there... That's clearly provocation.

And now you've lost the plot... The Rebels (or anyother outlaw gang)
have no REASONABLE reason to take offence under our society's laws,
customs or conventions.

It's only within their own (alienated) culture that vague imitation of
their style of "uniform" is considered offensive.

They still live in THIS country and, like everybody else who lives in
this country, this country's laws over-ride any rules the want to make
up for themselves. And our laws say that if you think you have
grounds for taking offence you deal with that WITHIN our laws.

They're fucking hypocrites becasue they live in our community but
disresopect our laws whilst at the same time DEMANDING that the whole
frigging community in which they live obeys THEIR "laws".

They are hypocrites becasue they are absolutely brutal against those
who break their laws (even against non-members who would therefore in
no way be bound by their laws).

And you excuse these psychopathic hypocrites? Why? Because you're
intimidated? Because you get a woody when you're in the presence of
such "power"? Why?

They don't own the turf !!!

We're not on _their_ turf!!

Those fuckibng psychopaths are on _our_ turf!

And I fully support our police in rounding the fuckers up and carting
them off to the Simpson Desert if they really want to flout our laws,
customs and conventions.

If they _really_ want to be outlaws, let them **** off to the Simpson
Desert and claim that as their "turf". Whilst they continue to live
within our cmmunities, they're nothing more than very obnoxious,
psychopathic hypocrites.

Hoons give morocycling a bad rep, and so do the outlaw clubs.

It's time these fuckers were given their marching orders. The cops
are on the right track on this one. These fuckers go too far (in
_our_ community.)

But you, Geoff, excuse them... Interesting...

And I _do_ wonder why that is...


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

I find this a bit of a weird situation. I don't have a problem with
colours. I have a problem with the attitude from the extremes of
colours and the attitude of the general public towards colours.

For example, I often go to a local goth club. I have a lot of friends
who are goths. Yes, they look different. And the style does look
aggressive. But I've found that on average they are much more gentle
people than your average bogan in a flanny. The monthly gig has a
dress code to keep the bogans out nowadays. It's flexible. I could
walk in with a flanny (not that I'd want to). Anyone want to se
pictures of an aging metalhead wearing eye-liner? (Yes there is a dark
side to me).

I've also done gigs at the local Rebels clubrooms. They looked after
us brilliantly. Nothing was a problem. We got paid well, free drinks,
the manager made sure everything was right for us. The bugger was that
the last gig we did one person fucked it up. I had to be at work on a
Sunday and at 5am I just had to get out and get at least a few hours
sleep so left my girlfriend and the two other band members there.
Unfortunately the two gitls were two cute blondes in their 20s and
target central and someone spiked their drinks. God knows with what
but Amanda was still hallucinating 2 days later.

So as well as we were treated by the colours crowd, it only takes one
fuckhead to give them the bad rep.

 

I joined Ulysses for a while but never went on a ride as all their
rides started at 9am on a Sunday morning. **** that for a joke. I
usually don't get home til 9am on a Sunday morning.

 

Diogenes wrote:

What I don't understand is why, given that "everybody knows" the 1%ers
do all these nasty,bad and illegal things, the police don't go and put
them in jail.

Why do state governments have to make up new laws to target bike clubs,
if the targeted bike clubs are breaking so many existing laws?

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Probably a good point.

But if you're implying that these fuckers are lovable, law abiding
citizens, why don't you get a denim jacket, design, make and attach
your own distinctive patch and rockers to your new-found fashion
statement, and go for a nice quiet ride out Bringelly way...

Take a mobile phone, so the GPS can locate your body...


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Bingo. With all their increased powers, phone taps, surveillance, the
police have never managed to prove that any club was complicit in a crime.

Either the police are woefully incompetent or they're a pack of liars.
Or both.

 

Right, wrong, legal, illegal, moral and immoral are all subjective terms.
It depends on your country, upbringing, religion, financial status and many
other factors.
One mans terrorist is a freedom fighter to another, To some the tobacco and
alcohol companies are little more than drug pushers. For a homeless person,
shoplifting food from a large supermarket by his peers, would not be
considered immoral . It all depends on your place in the universe at any
particular time

These particular individuals, the rocker wearing Useless mob, provoked the
Outlaw clubs knowingly. It was pointed out to them on several occasions.
In this particular case, if they choose to look like Outlaws then they
should expect a reaction from those others who consider themselves Outlaws.
Not expecting a reaction, weather that reaction is right or wrong
(subjective terms ) is naive.

My view on this matter is to side with GS. Basically if you want to look
like an Outlaw, play by Outlaw rules. That's the culture and changing
culture is often a long hard and painful struggle. In this case it's simply
not worth the grief .

They're wannabes who whinge when the others read em the rules to the new
game they want to join.

I'll stand back a little now, outta range

Capt. A. L.

 

I thought so.

So, if I raise a point, which you acknowledge as "probably" good, why do
you choose to side step it and go on about stuff which I didn't,
intentionally, say write or imply?

regards,
CrazyCam