[QUOTE="Champ"] suggest. But still, don't you think it a bit arrogant to effectively say "they're wasting their time", when a large company, presumably with a few engineers who know their stuff, announce such a thing.[/QUOTE] Only passing knowledge of the particular subject and sufficiently little to make wide and sweeping generalistic barely researched statements. Bang on for UKRM then! I'd slap £100 down if Hill's are giving odds on it appearing in the next (say) 10 years.