Concorde Successor

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Hog, Nov 23, 2003.

  1. Hog

    Hog Guest

    Only passing knowledge of the particular subject and sufficiently little to
    make wide and sweeping generalistic barely researched statements. Bang on
    for UKRM then! I'd slap £100 down if Hill's are giving odds on it appearing
    in the next (say) 10 years.
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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  2. Hog

    Hog Guest

    Well this is interesting, I just googled around a bit and turned up
    something unexpected but sticking to the XB-70 for a moment, it was (I
    think) a SS honeycomb airframe with a titanium skin. In the case of the
    SR-71 Lockheed already had experience of building SS planes but to reach
    it's target range the Blackbird had to be superlight. They manufactured
    millions of fastners and rivets etc. specially in Titanium as well. 93% of
    the unladen weight was Titanium.

    What I came upon was a suggestion that the fuselage actually had an external
    plating of Inconel. Don't know if that can be true.
    Interesting material, we used bucket shaped slugs of it to plug faulty
    evaporator tubes at the welds on the underside of the header plates, this
    isolated secondary cooling loop liquid sodium from H2O. You want to do that
    Sir. Bastard sodium ions could migrate through the tightest microcracks,
    just a few would create enough caustic reaction product to trip the
    detectors and scram the entire PFR (many times). The plugs were fused in
    place with explosive charges!....after draining the sodium. **** but it was
    hot on there. We were throwing away optical Intrascopes after a few days as
    the heat got to them.

    I could tell you more about sodium inclusion migration to grain boundaries
    under cyclical heat and stress conditions in 18-8 SS.....Hello, Hello? is
    anyone still here?
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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  3. Hog

    Andy Hewitt Guest

    Andy Hewitt, Nov 24, 2003
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  4. Hog

    Hog Guest

    They would have to give 50:1 against me to be worthwhile really. They
    probably don't take such long term wagers though.

    I'm talking about Hypersonic BTW. The Yanks could easily turn out a
    Supersonic Concorde replacement if they wanted to. 100 seats minimum and a
    decent bar.
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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  5. Hog

    Hog Guest

    The tensile tests are interesting.

    Toughness was used by me in it's loose sense BTW.
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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  6. Hog

    Hog Guest

    I didn't know that they could not be extended into perpituity. Hold on,
    didn't the Septics just suggest something like that?
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
    #46
  7. It's true in my case. My natural tendency is to go to sleep an hour
    later every night until I'm dossing at 4am. It stabilises then.

    Work interferes with this natural process, so I try to keep work at bay
    for as long as possible.

    --

    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Nov 25, 2003
    #47
  8. Hog

    DangerScouse Guest

    [/QUOTE]
    ZZZZZZZZZZZ <THUD>

    --
    Lesley
    ZXR400SP
    "Not bad for a Scouser"
    SBS#11[with oak-leaf cluster]
    BOTAFOT#101A UKRMHRC#12
    BONY#54P BOB#18

    Un-cork me to reply
     
    DangerScouse, Nov 25, 2003
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  9. Hog

    Hog Guest

    <prod>
    move on vagrant
     
    Hog, Nov 25, 2003
    #49
  10. Hog

    Andy Hewitt Guest

    Er, yes, something that happens a lot on my own trade.
     
    Andy Hewitt, Nov 25, 2003
    #50
  11. <prod>

    Wake up; I saw this in Germany recently - he's just getting to the
    interesting bit.

    --

    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Nov 25, 2003
    #51
  12. Hog

    deadmail Guest

    Hmm. Me too. If I'm not careful I don't crash until 2AM or so most
    nights; later at the weekend. Having the odd 4AM start really gets
    challenging.
     
    deadmail, Nov 25, 2003
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  13. Hog

    Hog Guest

    Hmm, it's catching apparently
     
    Hog, Nov 25, 2003
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  14. Hog

    Platypus Guest

    Has anyone yet handed this man an ANORAK# ?

    --
    Platypus - Faster Than Champ
    VN800 Drifter, R80RT, Z200
    DIAABTCOD#2 GPOTHUF#19
    BOTAFOS#6 BOTAFOT#89 FTB#11
    BOB#1 SBS#35 ANORAK#18 TWA#15
     
    Platypus, Nov 25, 2003
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  15. Hog

    Nigel Eaton Guest

    Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Platypus
    It would have to have epaulettes, gold braid, and little Hakenkreuzen on
    the sleeves.
     
    Nigel Eaton, Nov 25, 2003
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  16. Hog

    Hog Guest

    How about metallurgical preparation and microscopy in the high gamma non
    alpha contaminated environment?
    Tensile testing in the high active inert environment
    Using CO2 lasers in hot cell environments
    Oh I've got a million

    but I think my SOBeemer stories are best.
     
    Hog, Nov 25, 2003
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  17. Hog

    Hog Guest

    Bushie will change that for American patents soon I'm sure
     
    Hog, Nov 25, 2003
    #57
  18. Hog

    DangerScouse Guest

    <prod>
    move on vagrant
    [/QUOTE]
    <mmmmhhhh>

    --
    Lesley
    ZXR400SP
    "Not bad for a Scouser"
    SBS#11[with oak-leaf cluster]
    BOTAFOT#101A UKRMHRC#12
    BONY#54P BOB#18

    Un-cork me to reply
     
    DangerScouse, Nov 25, 2003
    #58
  19. Hog

    DangerScouse Guest

    <perk>

    --
    Lesley
    ZXR400SP
    "Not bad for a Scouser"
    SBS#11[with oak-leaf cluster]
    BOTAFOT#101A UKRMHRC#12
    BONY#54P BOB#18

    Un-cork me to reply
     
    DangerScouse, Nov 25, 2003
    #59
  20. Hog

    M J Carley Guest

    And, er, that's it. Airlines don't pay tax on fuel and don't have to
    charge VAT on international tickets. They don't even pay the ticket
    tax: the passenger does.

    The government's own report (Commission for Integrated Transport)
    includes Kenneth Clarke justifying the introduction of Air Passenger
    Duty:

    For example, Treasury Minister Kenneth Clarke justified the
    introduction of the APD as follows in his Budget Statement of 1993:
    "First, air travel is under-taxed compared to other sectors of the
    economy. It benefits not only from a zero rate of VAT; in addition,
    the fuel used in international air travel, and nearly all domestic
    flights, is entirely free of tax. A number of countries have already
    addressed this anomaly. I propose to levy a small duty on all air
    passengers from United Kingdom airports"[39]. In his Budget
    Statement of 1996, he made the following remark: "Air travel has
    also been undertaxed, because it has proved difficult--still proves
    difficult--to get international agreement to tax its fuel. The rates
    of air passenger duty are to be increased"[40]. Since the APD in its
    elaboration seems more related to ticket price than fuel use, APD
    may primarily be considered a compensation for the VAT exemption.

    http://www.cfit.gov.uk/research/aec/11.htm

    Air passenger duty costs five pounds a head on a budget flight. That
    is a total cost of GBP600--700 for a 737 which is about 10% of ticket
    sales. And the cost is carried by the passenger, not the airline.

    http://travel.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4736680-108314,00.html
     
    M J Carley, Nov 25, 2003
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