Concorde Successor

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Hog, Nov 23, 2003.

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    Ginge Guest

    Going to Australia with a 4 hour stop in Japan was like this, only
    funkier. Leaving in the afternoon you get to see 2 sunsets and 2
    sunrises in a 24 hour period.

    It's best to stay awake all the next day as well.
     
    Ginge, Nov 24, 2003
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    simonk Guest

    The over-day flight back from NYC is the only way, I reckon. If you've
    managed to stay up all night in NY and can stay awake for most of a flight
    leaving at 6am, you're just ready for bed at UK bedtime. And your
    hangover's cleared.
     
    simonk, Nov 24, 2003
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    Champ Guest

    This is my experience too.

    There's some evidence to suggest that the body's own clock runs to
    around 25~26 hours, which is how we can cope with the lengthened
    days/nights you get on east->west flights. It's also offered as an
    explanation to how we go to bed later, and wake later at the weekend,
    and why Monday morning is such a shock.
     
    Champ, Nov 24, 2003
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    Ace Guest

    Really? I always put that down to getting shitfaced and going to bed
    at 3 in the morning...
     
    Ace, Nov 24, 2003
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    darsy Guest

    or, just spend the whole time on the plane drinking heavily, and then
    when you get to the UK, it just feels like you've had a good night
    out.
     
    darsy, Nov 24, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    Mmm that's harsh :eek:( I'm no expert but I was originally an AEA R&D
    scientist in Materials Research but you didn't know that.
    Don't think there are any holes in the Periodic Table so don't expect
    miracle materials { Skylark? :eek:) }, guess you could do something
    interesting with a fuselage constructed as a carbon fibre cylinder or fibre
    reinforced metal sheathed in ceramic plates but it isn't going to appear in
    a commercial airliner in our lifetime.

    Erm, come to think about it, it might in *my* lifetime if yesterday's
    estimate was correct.

    If the loony environmentalist fringe continues to grow there might not be
    much airborne commuting in the future so expect the research of the next 20
    year to focus on fuel/engine technology.
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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    M J Carley Guest

    More to the point, if the government stops subsidizing air travel,
    don't expect much airborne commuting in the future.
     
    M J Carley, Nov 24, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    Well fair point but it wasn't doing that speed at a substantially sub
    orbital altitude for several hours. Commercial airliners are unlikely to
    ever fly at extreme altitude due to the rapidly increasing radiation dose.
    There's no getting away from it, Concorde was spot on and someone just needs
    to come up with a dual engine format so that it can whisper in and out then
    let it rip over the oceans. Variable configuration engines seem a bit risky
    for passenger use.
    True, the SR-71 had compromises to maintain a low radar profile but look at
    the Skylon project. Designed to carry a 12 tonne payload. Well that isn't
    going to squeeze many 'Merkins in is it.
    Different concept and application but which came first?
    Back to the radiation possible. 12 inches of lead shielding on the fuselage?
    I suppose you could have orbiting shields in permanent placement. Quick
    flight up, duck in behind, drop back down. Oops but there is another
    problem. Please fasten your seatbelts for re-entry! can't see many
    insewrance companies queuing up behind that plus you are into replacing
    ablative material.

    Nope a nice new Concorde would be just the job. 200 seats, low fuel
    consumption, couple of big turbofans in fuselage pods and two high
    performance jets set into the delta wing. If it ever happens it's going to
    be American now though :eek:(
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    How does it do that? AFAIK it screws unfair taxes from it already
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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    deadmail Guest

    Failing to tax aviation fuel.

    It's kind of an un-level playing field with other transport methods.
     
    deadmail, Nov 24, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    No fuel or other products should be taxed other than a flat rate fund like
    vat. As a mechanism it discriminates unfairly against the less well off in
    societies.
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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    Champ Guest

    You obvioulsy know a fair bit about the subject, as your other posts
    suggest. But still, don't you think it a bit arrogant to effectively
    say "they're wasting their time", when a large company, presumably
    with a few engineers who know their stuff, announce such a thing.
     
    Champ, Nov 24, 2003
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    darsy Guest

    I'm all for the "less well off" being kept off aeroplanes. Stick the
    pikey fuckers on a bus.

    Speaking of which, **** Easyjet.
     
    darsy, Nov 24, 2003
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    M J Carley Guest

    Which ones would they be? Airlines don't pay tax on fuel, unlike train
    companies, and they can often demand a straight cash payment from
    airports for the privilege of letting them in.
     
    M J Carley, Nov 24, 2003
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    pete boyall Guest

    <cough>

    XB-70

    </cough>

    Stainless steel honeycomb.

    Lockheed went with titanium because it was "easier". For small values
    of "easier">
     
    pete boyall, Nov 24, 2003
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    pete boyall Guest

    True, but then it taxes aviation in other ways. It also *does* tax
    Avgas, it's only Avtur which isn't taxed (fully anyway). If you
    attempted to tax aviation fuel it would be a sure bet that somewhere
    (maybe Ireland) would set itself up as a tax haven and all the
    airlines would fly their planes in there to fill up.

    Risky from a loss of other tax revenue point of view, and dodgy on
    safety grounds too ("okay, we'll go with minimum legal reserves to
    save filling up with overpriced overtaxed Brit fuel. Oops, wasn't
    expecting that headwind ..."
     
    pete boyall, Nov 24, 2003
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    Andy Hewitt Guest

    No YTC, the 'Twin Towers' not the 'Two Towers'.
     
    Andy Hewitt, Nov 24, 2003
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    Andy Hewitt Guest

    Good point.
    Interesting, I didn't even know that Titanium could be toughened.
    I believe they are testing multiple power sources though.
     
    Andy Hewitt, Nov 24, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    The airline ticket taxes applied by UK Gov.
     
    Hog, Nov 24, 2003
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