Concorde RIP

Easily, I'd guess[1]. Supersonic is "only" ~700mph at or near sea-level.
Concorde makes over 115,000lbs of thrust "dry", i.e. without reheat
(afterburner). Kick the a/b in and it leaps up to over 150,000lbs thrust.
More than enough to go well past Mach1.0 at sea level. I'd hazard a guess
that it'd be able to reach ~M1.2 at sea level.

[1] An Aeronuatical Engineer will be along shortly to prove me wrong,
mind.

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I'd put fuel on top.
I don't know if it is universal but in the states 4 engine aircraft are
allowed to taxis on only two engines and light up the other two just
before take off.

Just this saves an enormous amount of fuel.

The fuel used to take a 747 from ground to the airports holding pattern
makes a Concorde on after burner not look too bad.

 

If I remember correctly, non of the minister in charge of our armed
forces during the Labour government's periods in office (at the time)
would have been allowed to serve in the British armed forces, as they
were card carrying communist party members and as such would have sworn
allegiance to the communist party before all else.

 

Platypus

Tinfoil wrapped around _your_ head doesn't **** with _their_head, you know?

 

Former members of the CP, surely. The Labour party would not have
allowed dual membership.

The bit about swearing allegiance to the Party above all else is
nonsense. Many CP members fought loyally in the second world war and
many left the CP on points of principle, some over Finland (Denis
Healey), some over Hungary.

 

No they were current.

It still does today. (It also sings the Red Flag.)

That is the traditional oath of allegiance to the communist movement.

Who said they didn't.

So he wasn't in the Labour party till after he left?

My major worry it that unless I cut them on a regular basic I'm getting
eyebrows like Healey.

Yes, as above.

 

No they weren't

No it doesn't. As is so often the case, Mick, you present easily
checked errors as fact. Are you a troll?

For the record, The Labour Party banned dual membership in 1924. The
current membership terms and conditions contain the following phrase:

"I am not a member of any other political party".

 

If you say so

I do? I normally say if I'm in doubt.

I may look like one but no. (We have met so you would know.)

That information came from a TV programme about who governs our country.
The theme was:
1.Several members of the Labour and Nu Labour are known to be members of
the Communist movement. Wilson and Brown were mentioned specifically and
decisions they made that may have had outside influences.

2. Several members of the Conservatives are members of odd clubs or
receive *large* retainers from semi political business groups. (And
should declare all of them) The decisions they made benefited our
country *second*.

Just because that was written down doesn't mean it happened.

And they all tell the truth? They're politicians Champ!

 

It's also worth noting that CP isn't an entriest organisation, in the way
that militant was to the Labour party. Dual membership is also frowned
upon by CP, you're either a member or you're not.

You give the impression that membership of CP is a bad thing...

 

sweller wrote

It depends which one you are talking about.

I suspect that you are all on about yer actual Communist Party of Great
Britain (Head office Moscow) rather than the 10 thousand splinter groups
some of whom are very unpleasant.

 

I think it's slightly higher than zero, with that catch-all
answer of "tourism"

Googling around I found this
http://www.centreforcitizenship.org/faq.html#faq10

Trouble is, that presumes that if we went to a republic, then
we'd keep all the pomp and stuff that goes with the royals
(like changing of the guard), which I think is unlikely.

(It also presumes we have a "colourful monarch". :-/)

It's not trivial to find an unbiased website on the
subject...

 

No it doesn't and it hasn't since 1933:

Surprisingly, nothing stopped CPGB members from also becoming
members of the Labour Party until this option was cut-off under
revisions of the Labour Party constitution in 1933

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/redclyde/rc140.htm

As for the Red Flag, if they were real communists, they'd sing the
Internationale.

What `traditional oath of allegiance'?

So who were they loyal to?

That's right.

 

As I replied to Champ what is written down and what is complied with are
two different things.

Quote:
"the Labour party leadership initiated a campaign to purge all communist
influence from within the ranks of the Labour party and the Trade
Unions."
Unquote

See they did well there then. Conflicts a tad with Wilson and Brown's
frequent visits to Moscow during their period in office

The oath one swears when one joins, not that dissimilar to the major
parties in this country. (Not in detail of course)

The country they fought one hopes and for some they would hope it would
become a communist state after the war. There would be know conflict of
interest there.

Well done. Not even a party activist?

 

Well, meeting has little to do with it - I'm talking troll, not frog.
IRL you're very obviously a good egg. But you do wind folk up on here
(including me), and for such a bright bloke I can't help but suspect
that you're doing it for a laugh.

Of all the Labour politicians you could mention Wilson and Brown are
probably the least likely to be accussed of communist sympathies

Well, that's a different matter. But while a simple rank and file
member could probably get away with maintaining dual membership, as
soon as one got into any position of power (say, standing for the
local council), then any communist skeletons would likely come
rattling out of the closet. And, in the case of Wilson, it's simply
inconcievable that he could have got to be Prime Minister while being
"a commie".

Now, are you *sure* you're not trolling?

 

Hmm. Margaret Thatcher visited Moscow a few times too, y'know. I
never had her down as a commie, but now I come to think of it, maybe
she was the ultimate mole.

Hmm. I really don't recall swearing any "oath of allegiance" when I
joined the Labour party.

 

Why thank you.

Sh*t! Been caught out again It's the BOF bit of me, I've been around
long enough to have see lots of it first hand. (Feed lines R us!)

The program I referenced, numbered the times they visited Moscow during
their time in office. They could have got season tickets. The program
questioned why?

With out sounding like a mutual admiration society, the impression I get
of you having met you on more than one occasion is that you are a
genuine and honest person. If you happened to join the Labour Party and
had to swear allegiance etc. you would have done so believing in what
you were saying and expecting other to do like wise.

The program pointed out the at the time pre Wilson and Brown in power,
the ( their term) dinosaurs of the party would have agreed with anything
as they believe the only way the 'Labour' party would get into power was
after the revolution and then it wouldn't matter what they *had * said.
The party evolved and became electable and a lot of promises to previous
'friends' had to be forgotten or hidden.

British intelligence ( ?a contradiction in terms?) kept most of the
Wilson government under surveillance because of the trips to Moscow and
the influence that the CCCP may be having on British politics etc. A
good drinking friend of mine lived next door to Harold's holiday home on
the Silly Isles and would 'tip Harold the wink' when any 'odd' folk
would turn up on the islands other than his known security people. They
stood out like a sore thumb. My friend didn't know whose side they were
on but they worried Harold.

 

But not as often. It was season ticket stuff.

I think you are right considering the long term damage she did
overwhelmed any good. Oh along with the head of the secret service the
5th mole..

You must have signed or swore that you were not a member of any other
party and by default your allegiance would be to them?

 

Hardly. They visited Washington as well---does that make them
Republicans?

So which one's that? I don't know of any `oath' to be `sworn' when you
join a political party.

 

I didn't swear any allegiance, and I'm fairly sure that I wouldn't
join a party that required me to.

Well, I reckon this is much more of an indictment of the security
services that of ol' Harold.

Any one remember the superb Ray McAnally in "A Very British Coup"?

 

Er, no. Here's the text of the T&Cs (from www.labour.org.uk)

"I am aged 15 years or over. I am a British subject or a citizen of
Eire, the Channel Islands or Isle of Man. I am registered as an
elector (UK resident only) at the address given above. I am not a
member of any other political party. I agree to abide by the rules and
consitution of the Labour Party.

<I've snipped a bunch of stuff about decalring donations>

OK, you could say that's there's stuff about "allegience" in the
"rules and constitution", but I seriously doubt it.