Compulsory insurance

Andy Wegg wrote:
of:

Aren't there now also new rules about how you're supposed to dispose of your
old appliances? Ie you can't just dump your old radio in the bin - it has to
be 'properly disposed of'?

 

I looked up some of the vehicles who's registration numbers I could
still remember on the DVLA's "is your tax disc valid" page and there are
some that would appear to be registered but no on the road/exist.

I don't get it. Why would someone not want to tax or SORN a vehicle?

Don't the Aussies have to pay money to register a vehicle[1] or is that
more in a road tax way than an ownership way?

[1] I saw Henry on neighbours saying about getting the "reggo dough" for
his Vee Dub.[2]

[2]Heh, sorry.

 

*ding*

There's no benefit to me whatsoever having the goverment know about
that bike.

 

Chances of plod knowing about it and getting the DVLA round are slim anyway.

I mean who would grass you up?

 

I don't agree with you here. The illegal few do it because that the
balance of probabilities of getting caught rests in their favour.

Now the offence has changed from using an uninsured vehicle on the road
to being the registered keeper of an uninsured vehicle the odds have just
swung from 'unlikely' to 'dead cert' for them getting stiffed.

The only real objection is this weakens the "speed cameras don't catch
uninsured unroadworthy cars".

However, ANPR machines will. Especially ones that take a digital picture
of every vehicle that passes it and checks the MOT/ insurance/SORN
database; congestion charge or issues a speeding ticket as appropriate.

 

That would be my fear, either that or they'd just find out through
administration.

 

anyway.

I very much doubt if plod are interested in this stuff at all.

<fx: considers UKRMers who know my address>

porl.

 

sweller emerged from their own little world to say

I tried that with the TV licence. The cunts backdated it and sent a snotty
letter saying "don't do it again".

 

I don't have any fear. The RGV is clearly a race bike. I've as much to
worry about as people with powered stand-on scooters, mini-motos etc.
i.e. **** all.

 

Under the new system the vendor registers the new keeper. So the onus is
on you to make sure the burberry becapped youngster that's just bought
your wife's shopping Nova is registered as its new keeper.

Hence, I think, the DVLC sending out new logbooks and the ad campaign on
addresses backed up with higher levels of enforcement. If you've
received one for a vehicle you no longer own I'd get onto them sharpish.

 

Andy Wegg wrote:

They're running that on radio as well, and it *really* winds me up. Not
that they're pursuing untaxed cars - all well and good there - but that
they're trying to encourage people to grass up their neighbours.

 

Very few systems are perfect but, yes, there are ways of tightening it up
but as a relatively 'low impact on the consumer' solution it has its
merits and certainly an improvement on before.

Given civil liberty interests, proportionate response and most
importantly without increasing the tax burden what would your,
politically astute, solution be?

 

It was quite acceptable and apparently successful for the benefit cheats
what's the difference with road tax cheats?

We've acquiesced to the principle.

 

Yes, I know. It started with things like the CrimeLine (or whatever
it's called), and then went onto the anonymous numbers for customs and
VAT fraud, benefit fraud, and so on.

It's classic "salami" tactics. Shaving a little slice at a time, so
each step isn't far removed from the last.

"First they came for the murderers......."

What gets my goat about the VED grass-up line is that the ad goes on
about how an untaxed vehicle could be... (fanfare!) dangerous!

It's inverted thinking. An uninsured and un-MOT'd vehicle may well be
dangerous. It's not necessarily the same thing as someone who has not
renewed his tax disc, for whatever reason.

 

There are certain civil liberty issues but a way round these [1] may be
the new keeper must apply at the post office to have his 'ownership'
validated. This may not attractive to Gov't as there is a concerted
effort to get rid of PO counters as they lose money.

Perhaps the next step is tax discs belong to the registered keeper (must
be returned with the logbook and cashed in) replacements can only be
renewed by post to the new keeper with the insurance, registration etc.
linked by driver number and verifiable address.

TBH, I don't see it as that; this is more an exercise in forcing people
to register correct and up to date details with DVLA which'll make
automated traffic enforcement /cheaper/


[1] That is, of course, if it's the establishment's wish to get around
the civil liberties issues.

 

<Awaits explosion from Cheryls direction as they tow her Morris Minor
off for recycling>

Sounds like the German system.

Phil

 

sweller emerged from their own little world to say

That's similar to the US system isn't it? The reg. no belongs to a
person/company. When a car changes hands the vehicle has to be registered
to the personal plate of the new owner.

-- BMW R1150GS

 

Some of my old ones still existed but were neither taxed or SORN'd - one
£5,500 worth of VW camper (DVL 70T) I was quite surprised at.

Loads of others I wasn't surprised in the slightest.

 

That's not what I was saying. The registration stays with the vehicle
but the tax disc is cashed in between owners. Forcing the new keeper to
buy one and verify his address.

 

Nah, he'd sell your address to buy drugs and alcohol.