Commando Clutch

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 20, 2009.

  1. This is... odd.

    The Commando has been fitted with aftermarket (apparently superior)
    clutch plates. The guru at Norvil reckons there should be four fibre and
    four steel plates.

    But there aren't. There are five of each. Which is odd. Weggy, you on
    here? Know anything about the history of the clutch?

    The man says "Oh well, if you can get five in that's good!", but it's
    been leaking oil from the gearbox, so it slips. I can get an extra oil
    seal to cure that, but the plates are contaminated.

    Anyone know a way to clean fibre clutch plates of oil?

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 20, 2009
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  2. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Fr Jack Guest

    Depends... I've used acetone-y solventy stuff for surface
    contamination, but any deeper and I'd replace them, TBH.
     
    Fr Jack, Apr 20, 2009
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  3. Boil in detergent.

    Or shove them in the dishwasher. Note: Do Not Do This With A Load Of
    Crockery Already In The Machine[1].

    [1] I learned this the hard way, when I shoved a Honda 400 Four sump in
    with the dshes.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2009
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  4. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Fr Jack Guest

    You silly old git!
     
    Fr Jack, Apr 20, 2009
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  5. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older
    WTF, nothing to lose, I shall give it a whirl.

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 20, 2009
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  6. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Guest Guest

    Carb cleaner, or Xylene (from Toolstation or similar). Nasty stuff, but
    does degrease well.

    Dunno about the glue used mind (on the backplate).

    If it all comes apart, my real name's TOG...
     
    Guest, Apr 20, 2009
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  7. Guilty as charged.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2009
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  8. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, SpamTrapSeeSig
    No backplate on these, they seem to be solid fibre.
    Christ, there's desperation...

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 20, 2009
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  9. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    JB Guest

    Dishwasher. No seriously.

    JB
     
    JB, Apr 20, 2009
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  10. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Guest Guest

    Then xylene is worth a try. If you know an industrial paint shop,
    it was used in the degreasing baths (after trich was banned in the early
    1980s), and vapour bath cleaning degreases really well. Once evaporated
    there should be no trace left of the solvent.

    I'd be wary of the dishwasher on two counts: that the water might swell
    the plates and what might get left behind from the plates in the
    machine.

    YMMV, as always.
     
    Guest, Apr 20, 2009
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  11. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    AW Guest


    <appears in haze of blue mist>

    You should have a bill in the hystery for the fibre clutch plates.
    They're from Norvil and I basically replaced what was in there when I
    took it apart. I seem to recall getting similar advice from Norvil on
    the number of plates.

    <waves hands>

    <disappears in a haze of blue smoke>
     
    AW, Apr 20, 2009
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  12. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, AW
    Who was that masked man?

    Thanks, matey. I shall try to clean the plates and if that fails, get
    new ones.

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 20, 2009
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  13. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    AW Guest

    <reappears in a haze of...whatever>

    Another variation which suggests 4 plain, 5 friction:

    :
    There are basically two variations of clutch pack in the Commando.
    First is the early style THICK friction plates and are used with the
    THICK pressure plate.
    Next is the late style, which used the THIN friction plates and the
    THIN pressure plate.

    Plain Clutch Plate
    Both clutch variations use these steel clutch plates 06-0746=.080”
    thick
    Early Qty =3
    Late Qty=4
    Barnett #524-S

    Friction Plate

    Early-thick .145” friction plates Qty =4
    Thru 70- bonded segment 06-0749
    71-72- solid fiber 06-1339
    Barnett- bonded segment-thick # 524-68

    Late-thin .125” friction plates Qty=5
    73-75 Bronze 06-3741
    Barnett-bonded segment-thin # 524-73.
    Pressure Plate

    Early THICK pressure plate 06-0745 =.347” thick

    Late THIN pressure plate 06-3768 =.227” thick

    STACK HEIGHT
    To derive the full clutch height you add all the seperate components
    including the FULL height of the pressure plate.
    This is the FULL dimension filled by STACK HEIGHT of the components,
    between the backing plate in the clutch basket out to the diaphragm.
    From an engineering stand point this is the correct number.
    Early clutch, original stack height=1.167”
    Late clutch, original stack heigth=1.172"


    From http://atlanticgreen.com/clutchpak.htm
     
    AW, Apr 20, 2009
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  14. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    Hog Guest

    One boils them briefly in a pan of bleach akcherly
     
    Hog, Apr 21, 2009
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  15. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Mark Olson
    Heh.

    A quick boil in a pan of washing powder, followed by a good dose of
    brake cleaner *looks* like it's helped.

    We shall see...

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Apr 21, 2009
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  16. I've been rather impressed with the degreasing ability of some stuff sold as
    disc brake cleaner for bicycle discs.
     
    Austin Shackles, Apr 22, 2009
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  17. Wicked Uncle Nigel

    A.Clews Guest

    Thus spake Austin Shackles () unto the assembled multitudes:
    But isn't that just doing what it says on the tin?
     
    A.Clews, Apr 22, 2009
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  18. pretty much. but it's ace for degreasing engine parts etc.
     
    Austin Shackles, Apr 22, 2009
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