[QUOTE] <snip Pip dressing> And then.. 3 hours later you discover the battery is flat and you have to bumpstart it...[/QUOTE] Heh. Cunt. Acherly, I've timed it. Not in the SadAsDes way, with a stopwatch whirring away while I get my gear on, but when late for a recent physio appointment and watching the clock, desperately willing the fucker to wait for me, or even run backwards just a little bit. From arriving in the bedroom after getting out of the shower to going out of the door pulling my lid on as I went - 8 minutes. Plus pulling on me Pathans, if you want to be pedantic. No earplugs 'cos they take another minute or so.