Clutch/gloves issue

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Timbo, May 5, 2004.

  1. Timbo

    Timbo Guest

    I recently received some Alpinestars GP Pro gloves, with which I'm mostly
    happy. However the armour on the backs of the fingers interferes a bit with
    the clutch lever when pulled in - I use 2 fingers on the clutch. It's
    sufficient to prevent the bike starting when I stalled it earlier
    (embarassing). Btw the clutch lever is adjusted as far out as it will go.

    Is there a likelihood of ruining the clutch when I'm stationary at lights
    etc? I don't know whether the clutch cutout works on the lever position or
    on the position of the clutch cable/plates etc. The bike doesn't creep
    forward when brakes are taken off.

    Anyone else had this problem?

    Thanks

    Tim
     
    Timbo, May 5, 2004
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    dwb Guest

    Couldn't you try using 5 fingers instead? I bet it solves the problem...
     
    dwb, May 5, 2004
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  3. Timbo

    Gavsta Guest

    Or four fingers with the opposing thumb on the other side of the bar!
     
    Gavsta, May 5, 2004
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  4. Timbo

    dwb Guest

    Good point, but I didn't want to make assumptions.
     
    dwb, May 5, 2004
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  5. Timbo

    Timbo Guest

    Spose so. I didn't think 2 was unusual though.
     
    Timbo, May 5, 2004
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  6. Timbo

    Timbo Guest

    Good stuff. Thanks!
     
    Timbo, May 5, 2004
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  7. EN 13594:2002 "Protective gloves for professional motorcycle riders -
    Requirements and test methods"; Annex B "Ergonomic and size testing";
    Table B1.

    Question 3 - "Eyes closed - can you satisfactorily feel and operate
    the handlebars, accelerator[1], clutch and brake levers, switches and
    reserve fuel tap?"

    Question 4 - "Eyes closed - do parts of the glove catch on or
    interfere with any controls, switches, or the reserve fuel tap?"

    Question 8 - "Are there any other features which might cause
    irritation or make riding hazardous and if present, does the impact
    padding cause any problems?"

    AlpineStars were represented within the European Standards committee
    that approved EN 13594 - including the text of the above ergonomic
    tests - for publication. Perhaps they have not put their gloves
    through the assessments to which they agreed.

    [1] It means "throttle" (used later in question 5 which I have not
    quoted here).
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 6, 2004
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    dwb Guest

    Er Paul, does the test above specify how many fingers you need to use to
    pass this?
    I dont think any of the gloves I have would 'pass' this either if I used the
    clutch with only two fingers as opposed to four.
     
    dwb, May 6, 2004
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  9. Timbo

    Lozzo Guest

    dwb says...
    The AlpineStars in question have a flap of leather that spans the little
    and 3rd finger as well, which is somehting I couldn't get on with when I
    tried them on. I also found the hard plastic on the backs of the fingers
    restricted bending movement in 3 fingers. I preferred the GP Plus gloves
    that A/stars stopped making, they had fairly flexible carbon fibre not
    hard plastic in these areas and fitted me very well.
     
    Lozzo, May 6, 2004
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  10. The standard does not stipulate how many fingers shall be used to
    operate the controls. If the assessor used all four fingers, it is
    possible the problem described in this thread would not be identified.

    I'd like to think this is an issue that could be addressed when the
    standards are up for review in 2007, provided enough Member States
    agree that the standard requires amendment (EN 1621-1, the impact
    protector standard, was due for review in 2001, and despite the fact
    that foam technology had overtaken the performance requirements of the
    standard, plus EN 1621-1 is deficient in other areas, only two
    countries - the UK and Sweden IIRC, voted for it to be updated, so it
    has been allowed to continue in its original form).

    Another question is whether it is necessary to have such bulky
    "protection" on the digits when there are soft foam solutions
    available that are probably far more effective in attenuating
    transmitted force, significantly slimmer, and more flexible. Two new
    foams were launched by two different manufacturers last week: lighter,
    softer but still as effective, thickness for thickness, as their
    previous benchmark products.
     
    Paul Varnsverry, May 6, 2004
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