In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:02:59 +0930 [QUOTE="JohnO"] Agreed, most bikes it can be done with ease, which got me thinking (yeh, I know, a first) about the likes of BMW and Guzzi which both have a dry clutch and heavy flywheel effect about them. Have you ever had the pleasure with these bikes Clem? (or Theo / Zebs)[/QUOTE] It can be done. It isn't good for them. Most Guzzi mechs recommend against it. Do it in an emergency OK, do it lots, expect to spend money. Zebee