Cleaning chains...

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by piddy, Sep 23, 2004.

  1. piddy

    piddy Guest

    After a while should you just spray them with degreaser
    and hose them off before re-oiling, or will this cause
    dirt to flow into places you don't want?

    Btw, how often do you have to replace a chain?
     
    piddy, Sep 23, 2004
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  2. piddy

    Mark Olson Guest

    For cleaning and lubrication, follow the recommendations in the
    owner's manual[1].

    Be careful of what sort of things you spray on an O-ring chain, you
    don't want to hurt those O-rings as they are what keeps the grease
    in and the dirt out.
    The original chain on my SV650S lasted over 25,000 miles. That was
    with a Scottoiler:

    http://www.scottoiler.com/

    I bought my Scottoiler from http://www.aerostich.com

    [1] With an oiler fitted, you have to clean or adjust the chain far
    less often (I only had to adjust the chain when I changed tires)
    than without one.
     
    Mark Olson, Sep 23, 2004
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  3. I see little to no reason for using anything other than chain lube
    to clean the chain -- esp. agents like PF-1 Blue, designed for
    O-ring chains. These contain plenty of solvent to allow the
    lube -- essentially a wax or grease -- to penetrate the rings.

    Spray on the top of the links on the lower part of the chain,
    shielding the tire, and wipe all you can with a towel.

    To minimize fling, don't do this just before riding.

    You may also discover plenty of gunk adhering to inside
    the chain guard/guide, and under the front sprocket cover.
     
    Michael Sierchio, Sep 23, 2004
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  4. WD-40 washes out the lube under the O-rings, flings like crazy,
    and shortens chain life. It happes to be a pretty good
    solvent, I just think you should never use it on chains.
     
    Michael Sierchio, Sep 23, 2004
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  5. piddy

    harrison Guest

    Yeah, I know. I am getting something over 26,000 miles from a WD-40 sprayed
    chain, still in decent condition. On the other hand I got the huge 11,000
    miles from a chain which was treated frequently with PJ-1 blue, many stiff
    links when it got replaced.

    Dave
    98 BRG Triumph Sprint Exec, chain
    82 Red R65, no chain

    (Make obvious removal in email address to reply.)
     
    harrison, Sep 24, 2004
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  6. piddy

    piddy Guest

    WD40?
     
    piddy, Sep 24, 2004
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  7. piddy

    piddy Guest

    Are you fellers saying it's more faith than fact?

    Comments?

    piddie
     
    piddy, Sep 24, 2004
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  8. piddy

    OH- Guest

    Just make sure the o-ring either comes from a motorcycle chain
    or find out what rubber is used in chains and get an o-ring made
    of the same rubber. My guess would be that they are neoprene.

    Take an o-ring from some sort of water system and leave it in
    any hydrocarbon for a while and it will be destroyed.

    I've even heard people "prove" that kerosene is bad for chain
    o-rings by observing what happens to office rubber bands
    dropped into a glass full of kerosene. Rubber does not equal
    rubber.
     
    OH-, Sep 24, 2004
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  9. This is quite true. It is probably some sort of nitrile compound,
    and HC resistant. But I stand by my comment about penetrating
    lubricants/solvents -- don't use them on O-ring chains. They
    wash out the lube from under the O-rings (or X-rings, or W-rings)
    and don't provide any reasonable lube.

    Chain lubes are waxes/greases for a reason -- the long-chain HCs
    stay put, and the shearing and stress cuts the HC chains, releasing
    oils that provide lubricity.
     
    Michael Sierchio, Sep 24, 2004
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  10. piddy

    John Johnson Guest

    [snip]
    Er, kerosine is an aliphatic olefin. Diesel fuel is a mixture of
    (mostly, I think) aliphatic olefins.

    aliphatic is a description of the chemical, and is contrasted to
    'aromatic.' Aliphatic polymers are usually 'waxy' while aromatics
    aren't. The physical distinction is in the makeup of the polymer. I
    think that it's the replacement of a single Carbon with a ring on the
    backbone of the polymer, but it's been a long time since I did any of
    that stuff. Anyway, both PolyEthelyne (soda bottles) and nylon/polyamide
    are aliphatic. Kevlar (dupont's TM) is an aramid: "aromatic amide", and
    is quite similar to nylon, except for the above-mentioned replacement.
    As a result, Kevlar does not melt or burn while Nylon does both rather
    well.

    HTH.

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    John Johnson, Sep 27, 2004
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