Clean Licence

How do convictions stay on your licence for nowadays?

Just sent mine back for a change of address, for an SP30. DOC 12/01
DOO 05/01.

I thought they would come off after 3 years?

 

Bugger!

 

Black Mike emerged from their own little world to say

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/endorsem.htm#1. Endorsement Guide

If you had waited until the end of the month the 05/01 would have gone.
They only count for totting up for 3 years but have to stay on the licence
for 4 years

 

They're only points.

 

The 05/01 is the 12/01 - one's offence, the other's conviction.

 

I understand the reason is so that the court can pick up that you are due
for a ban if you commit an offence just before an earlier conviction is due
to expire. For instance, let's say you have 9 points by the way of 3 SP30s.
The earliest being on 1/6/02. You get caught speeding on the 31/5/05. By the
time the matter gets to court it could be 7 or 8 months later and your
earlier SP30 would be over 3 years old but at the time of the offence it
wasn't and therefore you are looking at a ban as you have accumulated 12
points in 3 years. If you were allowed to have the endorsement taken off
your licence immediately then the court would not be aware of it and you
would escape your ban and they could hardly have that now could they.

I know there are probably computer databases now that could pick this up but
it has been this way for some time and I'm sure it is the reason why they do
it.

 

The bit that pisses me off most is that:

1. They only count for THREE years for totting-up purposes.
2. They stay on your licence for FOUR years.
3. The feckin' insurance Companies count them for FIVE years.

Although I suppose if you sent the licence back to get them removed after
four years the insurance company wouldn't be able to tell - or have they got
underground spies?

 

Actually last time I rang around for a renewal, several companies only
wanted to know if I had any *current* points on my licence. Apparently so
many people have at least 3 points these days, it's become a bit pointless
discriminating[1] on that basis.


[1] By which I mean, they **** *everyone* over as if they had 3 points
instead...

 

Frooty wrote:

How often do your insurance company ask for a copy of your licence anyway?
I think I've had to send a copy of mine twice in 15 years of motoring.

Allegedly they have a central database of what you declare from one year to
the next - this is normally mentioned in the spiel they give you about
sharing your details to prevent insurance fraud. So if you declared your
points for 4 years and then they suddenly vanished they might smell a rodent
of the genus rattus.

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And insurance companies load you for 5.

 

Or you could just take a photocopy of your licence when you first get it and
it's nice and clean and then never declare any points, ever. Let's see
their fancy database cope with that.

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It's not like they ever ask to see your licence anyway, is it?
Certainly in my 25 years of getting car and bike insewerants in the UK
I was never asked for a copy.

Basically it's really easy to get cheap insurance if you're prepared
to lie and risk the consequences. You should also remember to tell
them that the bike/car is a completely different model/cc to the one
you actually have, and that your current address is chez a mate who
lives in an area three groups lower.

Oh, and don't forget to invent the fort-knox of a brick-built garage
that all your vehicles will be locked up in every night under armed
guard.

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the old trick was get loads of points[1] then get a 3 month ban and
the licence would come back clean. Think they stopped that now though.

[1]Endorsements maybe



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In uk.rec.motorcycles, ?(?¿?)? BORG amazed us all with this pearl of
wisdom:

What a fucking stupid idea.

 

My licence came back clean after my speeding ban. But then again, it
was clean before they took it off me.

 

I've been asked for a copy twice; once after my scaffolding incident and
from H&R who demanded to see a copy when I first got insured with them.

One of my friends started riding a bike back in the early 90s and got a
TZR125. He then got it derestricted and then got bored with that and bought
an RD350 YPVS[1] instead. He maintained that he was fully insured because
when he'd transferred his policy from the TZR to the RD his insurance
company hadn't asked him if he'd passed his test so as far as he was
concerned he was recorded as only having a provisional licence and riding a
350.

He gave up biking after 3 crashes on the RD - the third where he was _very_
lucky to get away without having to produce his licence. Last I heard he'd
bought himself a CBR600, but his girlfriend was apparently going to make him
take the test before he rode it.

[1] This was the first bike I rode after I passed my test and it just
seemed so _fast_!

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The speccy Geordie twat.

 

And what do points win?

 

Come to think of it, mine just shows 28 days £80 but no points.

I guess it comes down to the difference between points and
endorsements.

 

Points replaced endorsements when they were introduced, which was
bloody decades ago.

 

Well...I'll just have to ride/drive carefully until December then. )