Civil discussion only about fork seal leaks

I have said this before, repeatedly, and I'll say it again.

You post a lot that's accurate and true.

You also post a lot that is complete nonsense, and you *refuse* to
acknowledge an opposing (correct) POV.

Do you want me to remind you again of the examples?

Now, in a technical ng, this sort of inaccuracy is to be deplored even
morethan in a "general" ng.

It is not just me who has pointed this out to you. Many others posters
have, as well. So cut the bitterness, cut the faux pride, cut the
arrogance, and post stuff that's accurate and true. Because if you
don't, and others pick up on it, you have *only* yourself to blame.

In other words, don't shoot the messenger. Calling it trolling makes you
look even *more* foolish.

 

Yes, it's crystal clear to me that you are going to keep on posting
and posting and posting and posting. You're the guy who has posted
70,000
messages to just two newsgroups. You like to type, you're obsessed
with typing, you're going to keep on typing.

Hey, you don't read where the newbies are bitterly complaining about
my
supposedly inaccurate information. On the contrary, the newbies
*thank* me for going out of my way to help them. Are you jealous, or
what?

Surely you cannot be planning to make a career out of correcting tiny
errors made by one person, like you did with Hoyt McKagen.

Who pays any attention to the other trolls who have gravitated to this
NG?

You're not carrying a message from anybody else. Nitpicking is your
hobby, and 70,000 messages proves it.

Continuing to hang around this NG just to snipe at tiny inaccuracies
proves that you are a troll. A troll is not just somebody who tries to
start flame wars. A troll is somebody who stakes out a neutral
territory and proclaims it as his very own and refuses to allow others
to pass unmolested.

Catch ya later, troll.

 

Wow! You really *are* an obsessive. I've got a stalker!

FYI, I've been on Usenet for 11 years, and I post regularly to rather
more than two ngs.


You like to type, you're obsessed

I'm a professional writer. What do you expect?

No. But then newbies, bytheir nature, won't know when you're wrong,
will they? And I say agin: you do post some useful stuff.

And Hoyt made some howling errors, as well as posting good stuff. You
*do* have a lot in common

I'm sure people like OH, GC and other regulars will be be happy to be
called trolls.

I don't call 70k messages in 11 years excessive, actually. It's not
even 60 a day. I get more spam email than that.

Tiny inaccuracies? *Massive* ones, more like.

Ah, that'd be you, then?

<Blows kiss>

You are not looking clever, you know that?

 

Ding dingity ding!

125,000 miles ( 30,000 ish when I bought it ) on an XJ650 that had gaiters
fitted. Never replaced a seal.

138,000 (10,0000 ish when I bought it )miles on the 600f, again without
replacing a seal.[1]

87,000 ( 6,000 ish when I bought it ) on an XJ750 before I kinda crashed it
and sort of wrote very large bits of it off. I -did- replace the seals on
that as I over did the air assist. Dumb git here used his high pressure
pump instead of his low pressure one. Instead of 3psi, I put 30 in...

My current bike doesn't have gaiters fitted yet. I'll have covered 12,000
miles on it v.soon, and I just have this thing about replacing suspension
fluid and brake fluid every 12,000 miles, or as it works out, about twice a
year. I'll fit them then.

Seems excessive to some, but what the hell. I'm on the thing all day, every
day and I like knowing somethings right.

The only bike I have ever had seal trouble with was a Kawasaki 1000 GTR. I
got very good at replacing seals on that one. I tried genuine seals, cheapo
seals, moly 'leak proof' seals. Oddly, it stopped blowing the seals when I
fitted Progressive springs. I can't work out why. Maybe the seals I'd used
previously had been stored badly. I always soak them in oil for half an
hour before fitting and ensure the entire stanchion is clean of grit, yet
lightly oiled. That will probably remain a mystery. I didn't run that with
gaiters. Hmmmm......

Ramble finished.


[1] That bike had 128,000 miles put on it in five years. I've kept the
engine. A brief inspection and check of the top end showed nothing
untoward. Everything within tolerance. One thing I have learned over the
years is the oil cooled Suzuki engine only needs scheduled maintenance and
good quality semi-synth oil to go round the clock. Pity the ruddy camchain
tensioner is the only blot on that engines copybook.

 

I know. The point I was trying to get at was why there is so little
enthusiasm about this in a group that is dominated by street riders.

 

If you say so. Parts of this thread has been hard to follow as I'm
not a martial arts / boxing / wrestling fan ;-)

And for the (hypothetical) reader that looks for information it
might mean something if more than one poster holds the same view
on at least one point.
Believe it or not, I'm trying to contribute, not just trash postings
by others.

 

Heh. A friend just went through a season and a half of racing on his
mostly-stock RZ-350. Didn't do any work on the engine, and he finally
got an offer from one of the local shops to do some minor work on the
engine, as he'd done some computer work for them.

They called back and said "DON'T EVER let your engine go for that long
again!" as the crank had pretty much about the structural strength of a
wet noodle. They didn't need to press it apart.

I miss my red & white RZ. He had the KR bumblebee colors.

-gc

 

Yes.

The first try was some motorcross accordion boots from the local bike
shop that I cut down to fit. I think I had to cut about a third of the
boot off. This is what I'd used on my previous bikes too. I got black
ones and used a black zip-tie at the bottom to keep them on, and they
didn't look too bad, as the rest of the bike is black.

The second try is the short sealsavers from sealsavers.com. They fit
exactly between the slider and the lower triple clamp, almost as if they
were sized for the bike. I've had those on for about a year. They're a
neoprene sleeve sewn into a tube with the seam down the back.

-gc

 

You're right. They're incredible engines, all those oil-cooled lumps.
And when you think that they've been in production for over 20 years,
and have only just been replaced by watercooled lumps (and that only
for emissions reasons).....

Like others, I thought they were just a sort of 'compromise' engine,
when they first came out. "Oh, Suzuki hasn't got a water-cooled engine
ready yet, so they've bodged something on the ond GSX lumps." How
wrong can you be?

I read somewhere that the GSXR750 has won more motorcycle races than
any other bike in history. No idea if it's true, but I'm ready to
believe it.

 

Yeah, they slide just a little, but not much, they compress more.
They're tight on the sliders, and cut a little tighter at the top. The
neoprene slides really well on the chrome.

Both methods worked, as in no fork damage, I just think the sealskins
look a little neater.

-gc

 

I've used a wet sharpening stone for the same thing, as I couldn't find
a really fine file at the time. That was on my VF750 Sabre way too many
moons ago.

Was reading one of my Brit bike mags today:

"Telescopic forks survive them all because while they're basically a
god-awful engineering concept they've been refined and developed to the
point where the damn things work - a bit like a Porsche 911."

-gc

 

I remember that quote. It was from a long, long time ago, IIRC. Still
true, mind.