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You're assuming all "graphic novels" are "comedy".

 

You're assuming "comic" means "comedy".

 

Very funny.

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And 'everybody' called them comics until relatively recently. I don't
recall anybody getting upset about it in the comic-reading cadre. Of
course, to give it gravitas and seperate the more serious comics from
the mainstream hoohah Broons and Oor Wullie, it was utterly necessary to
invent another term, hence Graphic Novels and similar pretentious
bollocks.

 

Frankly, I don't see what's wrong with using my imagination, safe in the
knowledge that whatever some artist dreamt up, it will not be a patch on
my efforts.

 

They change time signature every couple of pages?

Phil

 

Nearly: some of them seem to change the frame format and order every
couple of pages, which can get really annoying.

You start off with two columns, three rows, left-to-right, page by
page... then they decide to have a pair of pages where the rows go
across two pages, and it takes you a moment to realise, by which time
you're two-thirds down the first page and reading everything out of order.

*Then* they decide to layout a pair of pages like a Z, and you just get
hacked off with the whole thing and decide that maybe Silmarillion
wasn't such a bad book after all...

 

Why is it pretentious?

Although the dividing line between graphic novels and comics is subjective
as a line in the sand I'd suggest that comics always return their central
character(s) to the status quo, whereas graphic novels treat their
characters in the fashion of a novel, and have them altered by the events
recorded.

So when you read a Spiderman comic you know that, whatever happens, by the
end of it Spiderman will still be alive, will still be a goody and will
still go around beating up baddies. When you read a graphic novel you do
not know how the initial state of the characters will have changed by the
end.

I'm guessing that you haven't actually read any graphic novels.

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is tank girl a comic or a graphic novel, o guru?

 

I haven't read it, so I've no idea.

Anyway, I'm not claiming to be a guru. I read comics a lot when I was
younger and now I occasionally read graphic novels. Although I've read a
lot of the highly acclaimed graphic novels - "Watchmen", Neil Gaiman's
"Sandman" series, Batman's outings in "The Killing Joke" and "The Dark
Knight Returns", Will Eisner's tenement stories, "V for Vendetta", Mike
Carey's excellent "Lucifer" series and so, but I'm not touting myself as an
expert on the genre.

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"I read graphic novels

You read comics

They read picture books. "

 

Ooo, I hope so - because I've got no idea where my copy's gone.

Watchmen is better. Really.

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Personally I preferred the film, but I might get lynched for admitting
that publicly in some circles I move in

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It's certainly different. I preferred it, but I wouldn't go as far as to
say 'better'

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I know we've discussed Alan Moore a few times here and
I certainly remember recommending V for Vendetta to you,
but it's not my copy.

Watchmen is about 4 times the complexity of V, given that
it has multiple stories interwoven throughout. It can
sometimes be hard going, but is pretty damn good.

Having read it when it first came out, I spotted a copy
in Borders on Union Square in SanFran about 3 years ago
and bought it to read again to see if I understood it
more second time around and fifteen years later ;-)

 

The first time I read Watchmen I managed to completely miss the point of the
conclusion of the conversation between Jon and Laurie on Mars. I've got no
idea how, but I distinctly recall being surprised when I re-read it that I'd
managed to (a) not understand that Laurie even had a revelation and (b) that
I also managed to miss the later explicit references to it (i.e. the closing
conversation between Laurie and her mother).

I also skimmed through a lot of the pirate stuff the first time I read it,
vaguely wondering why it was in there. Now it's one of my favourite
elements of the story and I was really quite sad to hear that it wasn't
going to be part of the film.

My last read through of it was only last month, and this time I noticed, for
the first time, the wonderful parallel between the words and the imagines on
the very first page, with the height of the POV increasing as Rorschach's
monologue moves upwards from the dead dog in the gutter to his apocalyptic
vision for the world.

However from my first read through the present day my favourite part has
always been the closing lines of Rorschach explaining how he became
Rorschach to his psychiatrist ... "Existence is random. Has no pattern save
what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we
choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical
forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or
destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us."

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which reminds me. do you have an email or phone number for him. the
ones I have don't seem to get through.
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found him on a TT2007 list with an old email addy and he responded to
that. said he'd got the voicemail message and had been meaning to
respond.

so he just thinks you're a ****
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