Cibie Headlight

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Triffid, Apr 22, 2004.

  1. Triffid

    Triffid Guest

    Anyone know where I can get one? You know, the old round one for an old
    round bike.
     
    Triffid, Apr 22, 2004
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  2. Try a Bedford CF van; ISTR they had cibie lights. If you mean the 7" round
    ones.
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    "The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
    from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
    horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
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    Austin Shackles, Apr 22, 2004
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  3. Triffid

    SteveH Guest

    Demon Tweaks. In the rally catalogue.
     
    SteveH, Apr 22, 2004
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  4. Triffid

    sweller Guest

    You can still get replacement 7" sealed beams for most older cars, which
    fit. Unfortunately they're not so good on the brightness stakes.

    You can buy replacement headlamp kits to convert older cars to halogen.
    Unfortunately you end up with two.

    Or look here ...
    http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/VWPweb2000/lights-1/lights-1.html
     
    sweller, Apr 22, 2004
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  5. Triffid

    SteveH Guest

    You may well find something in the GSF Carparts or Eurospares catalogues
    as a single replacement. Although I think most cars have a smaller lamp
    diameter.
     
    SteveH, Apr 22, 2004
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  6. IME, the cibie ones have different fittings/adjusters to the lucas type.
     
    Austin Shackles, Apr 22, 2004
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  7. Triffid

    Pip Guest

    That's a devastating insight, Steve. Would you care to define "most
    cars" - and come to that "smaller lamp diameter"?

    There are two sizes of round headlight - as far as I am aware. They
    are referred to by their Imperial approximation in the trade: 7" and
    5 1/4". There are some smaller auxiliary lights, like those fitted to
    the VW Polo as 'driving lights', but every car with which I am
    familiar and that was factory-fitted with round headlights has one of
    those two given diameters of headlight.

    Generally, those cars with single (one each side, OK) lights had 7"
    items, those with twin (2 each side) were fitted with pairs of 5 1/4"
    units. Motorcycles have a 7" fitting in general - the 70s Hondas
    spring to mind. Some, such as the V-Max, do have a smaller unit -
    which, coincidentally, is of 5 1/4" diameter.

    There are a variety of fittings on the rear of the lamp units, which
    can be broken into several groups - old British cars, modern British
    and European cars, and Japanese cars. The difference revolve around
    the placement of the adjuster brackets on the rim and their associated
    bumps on the lens and/or reflector, to suit the 12 o'clock and three
    o'clock adjuster locations or the diagonally opposed adjuster
    locations. That's all. This can easily be worked around when making
    a non-standard fitting.

    Both sizes of lamp are freely available with and without pilot lamp
    fittings, in various bulb types and configurations. Any decent motor
    factor or parts retailer should be able to advise on fitment and
    supply something suitable either singly or in pairs.
     
    Pip, Apr 22, 2004
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  8. Triffid

    SteveH Guest

    Off the top of my head, and referring to the above suppliers, I couldn't
    really think of many that would have used the 7" lamp - given that stuff
    like the BWM 3-series and Golf come with the 5 1/2" variety fitted. In
    which case (again, referring to the above suppliers), choice may be
    limited, but certainly should be available (with 7" being fitted to the
    Beetle and Camper van, ISTR).

    You're not half getting pedantic in your old age, you know.
     
    SteveH, Apr 22, 2004
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  9. Triffid

    sweller Guest

    Cibie were a common aftermarket upgrade for OE headlamps and I read the
    OP as he wanted a generic 7" replacement lense and reflector unit rather
    than specifically Cibie.

    I'm sure I've seen an advert for Cibies recently, perhaps it was in
    Classic MC and Mech.
     
    sweller, Apr 22, 2004
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    Lozzo Guest

    SteveH says...
    A common mod for Mini owners is to rob an early BMW 3 series of its
    Bosch halogen headlamps. They are 7 inch units and fit right into a Mini
    with no modifications needed. MK1 and MK2 golfs came with 7 inch
    headlamps as well, on single light per side models, didn't they?
     
    Lozzo, Apr 22, 2004
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  11. Triffid

    sweller Guest

    FFS, nearly all British cars of the 50s/60s/70s/80s that had round
    headlamps would have 7" units. The ones you list are the exceptions.
    This wasn't so much pedantry as correcting a blatantly wrong post.
     
    sweller, Apr 22, 2004
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  12. Triffid

    SteveH Guest

    Aye, good point, forgot that the E23 was a 7-inch unit.

    If, in fact, the Golf comes with 7-inch units then disregard all the
    crap about availability of lights.... they don't look like 7-inch to me,
    though.
     
    SteveH, Apr 22, 2004
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  13. Triffid

    Pip Guest

    That's because you have a 22 1/2" penis, Steve.

    I stand corrected as, on checking, I find that I had a brainfart and
    referred to the 5 3/4" lamps as 5 1/4". So there.
     
    Pip, Apr 22, 2004
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  14. Triffid

    Dave English Guest

    ITYMHM E21
    Probably only the 316 had the large dual purpose. The 320 and 323 had
    smaller housings for separate dip/main. Contemporary 5 series all used
    the larger one though, I think ( and 7 series E23 all the smaller).
    Regards
     
    Dave English, Apr 23, 2004
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  15. Triffid

    Triffid Guest

    Sorry, no. I really do want the aftermarket unit, since I do a lot of night
    riding and currently have a choice between my Brit (Z750) 45/40W unit or the
    Yank (KZ750) 60/55 RHD. Although any SOC 7 incher would prob do, bike
    headlight specs are different, as they're so much higher off the ground. and
    need to do the work of 2 car lamps. I remember an MCN test from the 70's
    (when they worried about such pedantic details as whether the brakes worked
    in the wet) printing a fairly graphic set of photos showing the difference a
    proper light made.

    They still make the stuff http://cibie.com/Page/Motorcycle/ , but it's a
    crap Jap website with no email contacts.
     
    Triffid, Apr 23, 2004
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  16. Triffid

    Triffid Guest

    Ta for that. Wipac Quads will do nicely. The Cibie units at Demontweeks
    were 72 quid, which I thought was pushing it a bit, although I might have
    ended up with a spare.
     
    Triffid, Apr 23, 2004
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  17. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Have you tried ebay or the classic car mag small ads? There are still
    plenty of the 7" halogen lamps around, often for not much money. A
    decent-sized car breakers would seem to be worth visiting too.

    Fwiw, one of my GSs sports a large rectangular lamp from a Z1100 - much
    better than the original Suz one, even with a standard 55/60 in it; the
    other has a pair of 5 1/4 dip/main and is great until the weedy
    alternator gives up trying to charge the battery around town, but it's
    fine out on the open road (I must fit a disable switch on one light).

    --

    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
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    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10
    Get rid of your SOC/SOB here http://www.sparesorrepair.co.uk/
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Apr 24, 2004
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