Charter Plane down- breaking news

I don't think I've been to one (I could be wrong senile dementia etc.)

I must have been then.

If your wrong, admitting it is the easiest way out and still maintain
credibility.

Nor am I.

 

I've seen that, been there and got the T shirt. Marconi were the worst
for groups of people using restricted application words at meeting where
different groups were to show how smart they were and how dumb every one
else was.
This was also the case when some erk had come back from a trip to the
states and used US buzz words or worse was doing a DMS on the side.

Oh the tales about DMS guys!!!!

 

I do feel this was written from the heart.

I understand.

You didn't work for Marconis at Rochester did you?

 

WHo was defrauded? Who benefitted?

 

From reading the press (left & right) it was the way the government
actively chose to prevent the 'company' from trading effectively
(everything is relative) until it fell below a level that was also set
by the government that enable it to take it back into public ownership
without the recompense it would have to have made if it hadn't acted.
Defrauded the owners.
government, (especially is they sell it again or) licence contractors
under the their control.
They then make money from the rail companies as the original company
did.

 

You still banging on about that?

I'd have thought you would have found something else to rant about by
now..

Phil

 

At what point does the company have topay back the billions borrowed
from the public purse used to prop it up?

 

Well, I'm thinking of some other incident then. So many of them...


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Sikorsky, based in Florida, is a leading helicopter maker. It was
founded on Long Island by an emigre Russian scientist, Igor Sikorsky,
and is now owned by the industrial conglomerate United Technologies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,771551,00.html

So, Sikorsky could be, and was, as Russian as beetroot soup, but the
helicopters are American.

Indeed.
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One of the combustors broke up, allowing the hot gases to torch through
the casing and into the surrounding fuel lines/wing, but yeah pieces
were ejected, so you're right. The pilots also parked the plane so that
the breeze blew the flames towards the fuselage, which didn't help. They
thought that they'd had a tyre blow out.

IIRC The cause of the catastophic combustor failure was eventually
determined to be an FAA/CAA (can't remember which, but suspect the
former) approved repair/modification that made solution heat treatment
of the Hastelloy X combustor material optional. As Hastelloy X tends to
embrittle in service, it doesn't take kindly to welding unless it is
effectively 'softened' by solution heat treatment. This was a classic
case of this oft repeated cock up that was widely quoted at work, lest
we make the same mistake.

My memory isn't playing tricks after all:

http://tinyurl.com/3dwkc

No, but I would hope that they're big fuckers.

 

Any time, old chap.

And, to reply to the wrong post, I have this memory of you sticking
your head through the window of the small bar at the Black Horse and
me shouting [1] that you were the bloke who wouldn't drink small beer.
I could have been imagining it, but, from the ways that people
describe you, yours is the face I see!

[1] I'm afraid I was verr, verr drunk ..

 

More poignant it should never have been sold. The rail infrastructure in
a small country like the UK should be under control of the country.
Though there is no harm in sub contracting done properly.

 

Hmm. Not sure about this (I seem to be in Champ-baiting mode at the
moment). What about the Management Accountants (CIMA types)? They
surely set the budgets, while "Management management" manages the
staff, projects etc. and the Accountant accountants (the ACCA chaps)
do all the boring number crunching to produce the numbers for the CIMA
guys to make their decisions.

Comments, anyone?

 

I remember reading somewhere that the Lysander tailplane (OK, somewhat
smaller) was only held on with four 3BA bolts or summat.....

 

And Des fucks up *again* and *again* tries to prove he was right all
along.

Next he'll be saying that Airbus is French.

 

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 00:02:06 +0000, wrote:

Are there any other jobs going on that project? I know an unemployed
project manager with several years experience on railway projects ...?

 

Benefited the[1] (up there)

There you go! But it is the politics of "Don't give shit on the way up.
Oops now we need them on the way down."

Who will trust them again if they use that form of tactic.

Old Labour had a huuuuge problem with the International World Bank when
it borrowed money in dollars (supported in the loan by the US because we
had promised to buy F111s off of them and we sold loads of licences
cheap to US companies for exploration in the North Sea) To be paid back
as a fixed sum in Sterling. Except within weeks of getting the money we
devalued the pound. IWB said it would never lend money to the Labour
party again. It convinced the IWB that as 'New Labour' it was a
different animal.

[1] I don't know why but "Benefited the Government" went, it was in
there when I posted, where it got to I've no idea.

 

If you must over-simply, try something like this.

Top management sets the budgets, which are delegated for all levels of
managers to manage. All types of accountants can, and do, get involved
in mamagement accounting. We also make as many decisions in our role
as managers as we do as accountants.

 

Yep - I'll give you that one.

But I'm not sure that was is there now is any better but it is
different.

and here is a story that may interest you

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=478189

Mr Bowker used to be my boss when he was at LUL. Interesting chap. Looks
like his time may be up. Part of the SRA is like the old LUL
Development Directorate!

Interesting observation. We'll have to wait for memoirs or the 30 year
rule to be sure.

Well yes - I'm still of the view that what started off as a good idea
(from his viewpoint) was embarked upon with no idea of what the final
solution looked like. I'm not convinced by the Network Rail operation /
set up (as another of your posts shows up the inadequacies) is the right
answer for infrastructure provision. I also don't like the policy that
has been adopted towards franchises and particularly their length. I
think 7 years is a stupidly short length of time given the cost and life
of the assets that are to be invested in. I get the feeling that the
government is starting to panic about transport as an issue for the next
election - and they bloody well deserve to given they've done very
little to make it better.

 

To be honest, fucked if I know, it was back in June I discussed this and
they needed to fill the role by September. Maybe if your friend checks
with Railtrack?