Charter Plane down- breaking news

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by tallbloke, Jan 3, 2004.

  1. tallbloke

    Colin Irvine Guest

    Cnut. Oh, and ding bloody dong.

    May I just say, in my defence, that you have to be a bloody genius to
    understand div and curl, which was what did for me.
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 4, 2004
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  2. tallbloke

    Colin Irvine Guest

    Yep!
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 4, 2004
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  3. tallbloke

    sweller Guest

    Mainly because its fucked. No trained staff, no money, maintenance
    backlog, massive under budgeting for major projects. No crews for basic
    engineering trains, as the freight companies are struggling to supply
    engines and crews for their bread and butter customers.

    In an effort to make things more efficient (cheaper) within the passenger
    companies route and traction knowledge have been curtailed.

    I used to know, up until 97/98, nearly every type of diesel locomotive in
    use at the time and regularly worked engineering trains (ballasts). I no
    longer do so. Yet trained crews are short.
     
    sweller, Jan 4, 2004
  4. You've still got them, haven't you?
     
    pseudoplatypus, Jan 4, 2004
  5. tallbloke

    deadmail Guest

    And the safety case on CSR in Glasgow expired in umm... 2000? IIRC since
    they didn't have the code for the radios and the company supplying them
    had 'gone' (I think it might have been another crowd in Derby whose name
    escapes me at the moment).

    They really need to sort those systems out because frankly they're both,
    what, 15-20 years old and I'd suspect that spares supply is becoming a
    problem.

    Which is probably why they are recruiting/have recruited a team to put
    an "EIRENE" system in place (if I can remember my acronyms correctly).
    I was approached about a Programme Management job to put that system in
    place in the summer (9 year contract!) but figured two people from the
    Railway industry posting to UKRM was quite enough thankyou.
     
    deadmail, Jan 5, 2004
  6. tallbloke

    deadmail Guest

    But it was done in such an underhand way. IIRC the government withdrew
    support and then took them back into public ownership to "save them from
    insolvency" when it was the government's actions that risked making them
    insolvent.

    Had they been upfront and said "you're not capable of running the
    railway infrastructure and consequently we're taking you back into
    public ownership" that would have been different IMO.

    It's not the fact they're in public ownership that matters to me; the
    sharp practice was the way it was carried out.
    Well that's possibly true; I don't know enough to have an opinion.
     
    deadmail, Jan 5, 2004
  7. tallbloke

    deadmail Guest


    I can't remember what div and curl were but think I used them in
    Classical Control Theory... which I got 96% in my finals for.
     
    deadmail, Jan 5, 2004
  8. The HoFE was raised and refurbed, and renamed "Flushing Range". It was
    broken up about a year later.

    http://business.unisa.edu.au/cobar/corpresp/case_studies/study3.htm

    http://www.aviation.unsw.edu.au/readings/avia2100/AVIA21005.ppt
     
    pseudoplatypus, Jan 5, 2004
  9. tallbloke

    deadmail Guest

    Well, yes. But only one of them. Cab Ride 53, Leeds to Manchester I
    think.
     
    deadmail, Jan 5, 2004
  10. tallbloke

    mb Guest

    Ooo, possible NDT man error. Mined ewe, contamination with oil would kill
    the fluorescence of the penetrant and I don't know why it wasn't done with
    eddy current inspection.
    My story:
    The Manchester air disaster was caused by one or more of the engine burner
    cans breaking up and flying out of the engine and into the wing fuel
    tank - same engine as story above =:-o
    Shortly afterwards all 737 engines of this type had to be radiographed to
    detect cracking in the burner cans in the combustion chamber. I was
    working at Luton Airport doing this for the 2 airlines there (no names
    etc.).
    One of the engines had to be mounted [1] immediately after inspection as
    they wanted to use it for a flight and they said to us "tell us the
    results after the plane has taken off". After seeing the radiographs and
    noting about 5 cracked cans, we told them immediately!
    They had to delay the flight until they could get another engine tested.

    [1] Do you know only about 3 bolts hold the thing onto the wing?
     
    mb, Jan 5, 2004
  11. tallbloke

    Colin Irvine Guest

    Vector differentiation. I assume they accounted for the 4%.
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 5, 2004
  12. tallbloke

    deadmail Guest

    Quite possibly, I have forgotten almost everything I learnt and did by
    now.

    Still, it achieved its goal.
     
    deadmail, Jan 5, 2004
  13. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    spouted the following in

    HMG Were not giving you any more of the publics money.

    RT But we won't be able to pay our directors fat salaries and bonuses.
    Or our investors dividends.

    HMG Tough shit, if you can't run the business on your own two feet the
    clawback clause is activated. It was there in the small print when you
    fell over yourselves to jump in.

    RT Aww, no more gravy train.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 5, 2004
  14. tallbloke

    deadmail Guest

    That wasn't my perspective of what happened at all.
     
    deadmail, Jan 5, 2004
  15. tallbloke

    tallbloke Guest

    SWK obviously. I just think that if the long awaited report recommended
    ATP then thats what should have been fitted.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 5, 2004
  16. tallbloke

    sweller Guest


    ATP was recommended for fitment by Hidden (Clapham Enquiry 1988). On a
    cost per life saved Cecil Parkinson (IIRC) ruled it out as too expensive.

    Given the number of accidents it would have *prevented* since it would
    have been a fucking bargain.
     
    sweller, Jan 5, 2004
  17. Does your best jacket have a hood?
     
    pseudoplatypus, Jan 5, 2004
  18. tallbloke

    deadmail Guest

    No, but it's got lots of pockets for notebooks and pencils.
     
    deadmail, Jan 5, 2004
  19. The ones with hoods are good. You can put the notebooks and pencils in the
    airline bag along with the sandwiches and the thermos of tea.
     
    pseudoplatypus, Jan 5, 2004
  20. tallbloke

    Zobo Kolonie Guest

    IME it works something like this:
    Board: Here is our business plan for the coming [insert time frame here, it
    really doesn't matter how long or short it is], make it be so!
    Manglement team: Righty-ho, we'll do what we can with what we've got but you
    do realise that we're going to need to spend some dosh to make some of this
    happen don't you?
    Board: Of course we understand that you scurvy curs, bring us your fully
    costed recommendations and make it snappy!
    Manglement team: [Doffing forelocks] certainly, at once!
    Manglement team: [Much scurrying about, setting out projects, putting staff
    in motion to achieve the near impossible] [Start research and costing
    exercise for the actually impossible] Blimey we're stretched, and the staff
    are near to breaking point.
    Rogue member(s) of manglement team: [Whispered aside] I know, if we sit back
    and do **** all then we can blame the others for wasting everyones' time
    when the board change their minds
    Manglement team members who are stupid enough to carry on trying to do the
    job their paid for: Right you are, here are our costed recommendations
    Board: You stupid fools! We didn't ask for that! We told you that we wanted
    this [something completely different from what the manglement team were told
    at the start of this process is now discussed]
    Rogue member(s) of manglement team: [Sucking up] Ooooh these other people
    are so crap aren't they?
    Board: Away with you and bring us proper costed recommendations
    Manglement team: Erm, OK, if you say so.
    [Meanwhile back at the ranch staff now don't know which way the wind will
    blow from one day to the next and morale is hitting rock bottom]
    Manglement team: Here are our new recommendations
    Board: Rubbish! We've seen [insert dirt cheap but thoroughly useless Mickey
    Mouse product here] and it is of course The One True Way! Tsk! We don't know
    why we pay you people! Now go away and implement this. (Not said this way
    etc...)
    Manglement team: Well...
    Board: Do it!
    Manglement team: [Thinking about mortgages and stuff like that] OK, will do.
    [Time passes]
    Board: This product you have implemented doesn't do the job you said it
    should (not that *we* ever said it would do anything at all you understand),
    why are you so crap? (Again they never actually admit it this way, but it
    amounts to much the same).
    [Meanwhile staff are to be seen regularly reading the situations vacant
    sections of appropriate trade publications]
    Board: Ahah! We have found [person-x who probably plays squash with one of
    the directors or summat like that] s/he will step in above you all and sort
    this mess out! Behold the wonderment that is the genius of [person-x]. You
    are not worthy.
    Eventually: **** this, I'm off, what's the package? Bye!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you think I'm cynical? :)
    Basically I've seen this sort of thing twice in the 15 or so years that I've
    been working, and it was really most frustrating both times.

    ZK - might actually start looking for a job tomorrow
     
    Zobo Kolonie, Jan 5, 2004
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