CB750 F backfire

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by tokenhire, Oct 8, 2007.

  1. tokenhire

    tokenhire Guest

    Hey, gang!

    I have recently acqired a 1980 CB750F Supersport in moderately decent
    condition.

    I am frightening small children and Vietnam vets whenever I'm
    decelerating or maintaining speed at 3K to 6K RPM. It will backfire
    two shots at a time about .5 to 1 second apart from each other in
    varying intervals (the pairs of shots are more frequent in lower gears
    than higher).

    The backyard mechanic who made the bike roadworthy for me cleaned the
    carbs, but replaced nothing. He claims there is a cylinder that isn't
    firing correctly (he yanked the sparkplug wire off that cylinder with
    the engine idling and there was no appreciable change), and that there
    are "air mixture adjusters" that need to be tweaked but without a
    Clymers he doesn't know what the settings should be.

    The gas in the tank is fresh, there is a new inline fuel filter, the
    oil and filter have been changed, and the stock megaphone exhausts
    were replace with Aprilia racers (no model number on the exhaust
    pipes).

    Does anyone have any thoughts? I dread having to apply for a firearm
    permit in order to drive around town.

    Thanks much.


    Token
     
    tokenhire, Oct 8, 2007
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    fweddybear Guest

    The backfiring usually indicates that the bike is running lean, or there
    is a slight leak somewhere in and around the intake....you can check for
    leaks by starting your bike and letting it idle...then spray some carb
    cleaner around the carbs and intake to hear if the idle changes slightly...
    if it does, then you have found your leak... if no change, then I would
    consider adjusting your idle mixture screws...they are located at the bottom
    of your carbs...they usually are sealed, but most bikes ive seen have
    already had the seals off of them. You can start by making sure they are
    turned out approx 1 1/2 turns. Take your bike out for a spin and then
    remove each spark plug and see what color they are.....brown indicates
    proper air/fuel mixture... white indicates a lean mixture and needs
    adjustment (turning the screw 1/4 turn at a time)...black indicates rich and
    also needs adjustment...if you get to the point of having the screws turned
    out more than 2 1/2 turns, I would then change the idle or slow jet.

    Hope this helps...

    Fwed
     
    fweddybear, Oct 8, 2007
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    Ken Abrams Guest

    That is usually the case. Absent any other symptoms, I would agree.
    HOWEVER.........
    In this case, I don't think that applies. The non-firing cylinder is likely
    pumping raw gas into the exhaust which then ignites IN THE MUFFLER when it
    reaches critical mixture. This is not good for the engine in general and
    for the exhaust specifically. One of those explosions might just leave part
    of the exhaust system on the ground or flying through the air.

    You need to fix that dead cylinder; the "backfire" will then likely
    disappear.
    Might be as simple as a fouled (or shorted) plug. If you haven't already,
    they all probably should be changed. Next I'd look for a stuck or sunk
    float in that carb.
    Good luck!
     
    Ken Abrams, Oct 8, 2007
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  4. tokenhire

    tokenhire Guest



    I think I see the idle mixture screws. They come out from the bottom
    of each carb. Mine have a fin on one side of each screw which looks
    as though it's a stop as it hits a fixed aluminum tab coming off the
    carb casing, so it will not quite make 360 degrees in total range of
    motion.

    I'm on my way to get cleaner and try that test as well.

    I'll keep you posted on the results. You help is much apprecitated.
     
    tokenhire, Oct 8, 2007
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  5. tokenhire

    tokenhire Guest



    The plug and wire are both new, so I presume I'm looking at pulling
    the carb apart to check that float.

    Is this something that someone like myself who is considered by the
    general public to be a danger to myself and others within a 150'
    radius can do or should I make the effort to find someone with a brain
    to actually approach the project..?

    Your help is greatly appreciated!
     
    tokenhire, Oct 8, 2007
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    fweddybear Guest

    YIkes... I did read the text, but for some reason when I was typing, I
    totally blanked on tthat paragraph about the problem cylinder....my
    mistake....shows ya how skimming can get ya in trouble.... sorry guys..

    Fwed
     
    fweddybear, Oct 8, 2007
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    Ken Abrams Guest

    No and yes, in that order. ;-)
     
    Ken Abrams, Oct 9, 2007
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  8. tokenhire

    tokenhire Guest



    Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

    The backfiring seems to have remedied itself in the wake of the choke
    cable being stuck. It will not retreat completely (about a quarter
    inch). However, now it stalls at intersections and runs pretty rough
    regardless of rpm.

    Think I can disengage the cable and live a reasonably fruitful life..?
     
    tokenhire, Oct 20, 2007
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  9. tokenhire

    tokenhire Guest



    Not to worry. When weighing my options including the aforementioned
    "mechanic" I'm forced to consider myself as the other option. I'm
    considering disconnecting the choke cable. Recently it decided that
    it didn't want to retreat completely and now she stalls at idle and
    runs like a woman running to the restroom while passing shoe store
    after shoe store. Never quite sure if it wants to rev up with the
    thottle or hesitate. Think I can survive without the choke for a
    bit..?
     
    tokenhire, Oct 20, 2007
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    Ken Abrams Guest

    Maybe but probably not.
    See previous question and answer!
    Yes! ;-)
     
    Ken Abrams, Oct 20, 2007
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