CB72 Update

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Quite a bit gone on recently, mainly as house move is being delayed.

Most of the electrics are sorted - although as I got everything working
the headlamp holder wires broke so I need a new one, also won't be
testing charging until it's running. I think the rear light is only a
parking/stop light, anybody know what year a tail light became
compulsory? Engine spins over ok on the starter which is a bit of a
relief after my first four stroke head rebuild.
Need a replacement clutch cover (which is why it's not painted in the
pics) and the bloody chromers are not answering their phone and still
have my fork shrouds and speedo cover. Marque Restore in Coventry
*AVOID*

Throttle cable bought from ebay doesn't allow the slides to close fully
so rather than bodge a throttle cable I'm getting a replacement. Also
need rear brake cable and a few other bits which I should have in the
next few days. Also suspect I might have the wrong kickstart shaft as
the swivel head turns through 180 degrees and doesn't stop in any
position that you could use it in. Front brake works but hasn't been
adjusted or the cable routed properly.

 

Definitely looking good.

 

It does look rather smart.

 

Wow - that truly does look fantastic!

If you do need a tail light for the MOT maybe some LED's behind the
lens would do it? saves any permanent mods being made - maybe each led
being held by a blob of clear silicone sealant would do the job.

 

Lovely

 

Just lovely. Well done.

I'm pretty sure it was a long time before the CB72 was made - so it
should have one, IMHO.

 

Ah, yes, that makes sense. But I find it hard to believe that a Honda
would have been built without one, even in the early-to-mid 1960s.

 

You're right, with help from the 305 forum I've worked out what was
wrong with the wiring.

 

I imagine that would be a really useful source of info. Cult bikes,
those 305s.

Well, in your case, one consonant away from being a cult bike ;-)

 

The law in the early 1980s, which may have since changed, but I don't
think it has, was this:

Lights fitted must work and conform to regs.
If you have a rear light, it must include a brake light.
It lights have been removed, fittings and all, they are deemed to be
'not fitted'.
There is no connection between what is required and what was fitted as
new.

This was tested in court, by me, in around 1981 when a stupid, stupid
plod decided to do me for having no lights on my XT-based 500
roadster. He lost, I laughed.

 

It's not quite that simple, & I don't think things have changed since
the early '80s. You can have lights fitted that don't work, as long as
they're 'permanently' (whatever that means) disabled. E.g. I've still
got the lights fitted to the Fantic but removed the wiring &
switchgear, & never have a problem with MoTs. I have had it MoT'd in
the past with the wiring & switchgear still fitted, but the switches
taped over.

However if you have one light that works, then you must have all the
required lights fitted & working.

Heh, marvellous. I lost count of the number of times I used to get
stopped when riding the Fantic in London, but they were never dumb
enough to take it to court.

--
Krusty

'03 Tiger 955i
'02 MV Senna (for sale) '96 Tiger (for sale)
'79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale)

 

Bloody Yamaha, last week I was fettling an XT350 for the neighbour's
daughter. The brake light, indicators and neutral indicator lamp all
work from the battery. Took me a while to figure out that the head,
side and tail lights only work with the engine running. Having a faulty
coil with a weak spark and the damn thing being waaaay to tall for me
kick over did not help my bad temper.

 

An MOT isn't a guarantee that the vehicle conforms to all
requirements, as of course you realise. It _should_ be, perhaps, but
it's not. The question of lights being fitted is open to
interpretation. In my case the headlamp shell and rear light cluster
was physically not present, so it was pretty clear, but as you
describe your Fantic I could well imagine a court ruling otherwise.

I was surprised his bosses let it through, TBH. In the end the charges
were all 'failure to maintain', so they'd clearly realised that they
couldn't do me for not actually having them, but must have thought
that I, or a court, weer even more stupid than them. Thankfully
justice was done, for once.

Still had to take a day off work for it, mind.

 

Try telling that to everyone with grey imports who have had to change
the headlights.

--
Krusty

'03 Tiger 955i
'02 MV Senna (for sale) '96 Tiger (for sale)
'79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale)

 

If there weren't any headlights originally fitted to the bike, they
wouldn't have a problem...

 

If there wasn't a left-dipping headlight originally fitted, but it did
have a right-dipping, they certainly would have a problem. I'm pretty
sure if it didn't have any headlight originally fitted, but did have a
tail/brake light, they'd also have a problem. But I'm happy to be
proved wrong on that if you can point to the relevant part of the
testers manual.

Incidentally cars first registered after 1978ish won't pass without a
rear foglight, regardless of whether they had one originally or not. It
may be your 'originally fitted' exemption only applies to bikes, but it
seems a bit unlikely, & I can't remember ever seeing it in the testers
manual.

--
Krusty

'03 Tiger 955i
'02 MV Senna (for sale) '96 Tiger (for sale)
'79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale)

 

You don't have to change the headlight on a grey import, just put a bit
of tape over the appropriate part of the lens so that there's no 'kick'.

 

You're missing the point that the RTAs state, as I paraphrased above,
that any lights fitted must conform to relevant regulations. Whether
they did so when built is irrelevant.

 

Eh? My comment was purely about MoTs (in reply to Adrian's claim) -
nothing to do with RTAs.

--
Krusty

'03 Tiger 955i
'02 MV Senna (for sale) '96 Tiger (for sale)
'79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale)

 

1980.

And, if they were originally UK-market, they would have had one fitted
when new, because it was legally required from that date.

Sure, some imports wouldn't have had until later, or would have had
different spec or whatever, and - yes, those'll require modifying/adding
- but that doesn't alter the fact that no vehicle is required to be
fitted with anything that wasn't required on new vehicles in the UK on
the date when that vehicle was first registered.

(There's one exception - screenwashers on cars without a way of opening
the 'screen)