Cat Down

Sorry to read about this.

I'm mainly a dog person but I have had cats (and dogs at the same time)
and I'd rather they all got the chance to die quietly curled up in a ball.

 

My dogs have never attacked anything. And certainly not a cat (after
all - I have 3). It called 'training'.

The fact that these dogs have previous form in killing cat means that
the owners *know* they do it yet do nothing about it (like keeping them
muzzled when outside).

Phil.

 

Big difference between the local park and the dog owners back garden .

My two GSD would kill anything that ventured into the back garden thats
thier domain , on the park at the rear of the house they are freindly
and make no aggressive moves at all

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What about if you had a bear?

 

Easily solved. You don't *have* to post.

Phil

 

Well, I guess you can prove anything on the internet. I did a similar
2 mins of searching, can couldn't find anything. This
http://www.messybeast.com/cathistory.htm contains the line : "...no
need for selective breeding to specialise them for particular roles as
happened with dogs, sheep and other domestic animals. When artificial
selection took place (from the late 19th Century onwards in Western
Europe, anecdotally earlier in Thailand), it was on the basis of
aesthetics, not function. "

 

No, that's _un_fortunate. 700 quid is a stupid amount to be charged,
and is only possible in an insurance-driven market.

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Thank you Mr Cooper.

 

I wouldn't neccesarily have it put down - what I *would* do is make
sure that when the dogs are loose in the garden that they are muzzled
or otherwise prevented from biting.

Indeed. And those raised with cats (like mine) won't look a cat in the
eye without groveling

We were worried when we got our Staffie-cross (rescued and about 3-4
when we got her) in case she had been trained to attack cats. As it
turns out she *loves* cats and was the one that both our new youngsters
used to play with and sleep with. We reckon when she was a yard-dog in
Wales (kept in the yard to keep the rats down most probably and just
fed on scraps) that she was there as a pup with a groups of feral cats.

She did chase a neighbours cat once - but only because it was attacking
one of our (then) elderly cats on our lawn. She has the full measure of
the Staffie protective instinct.

Phil.

 

Rubbish. Your knowledge of the natural world is as impressive as your
spelling..

Phil.

 

The breeding consisted of making it domesticated - not making it hunt.
After all, non-domesticated cats (of all types) do *exactly* the same
hunting (for example - the Scottish Wildcat uses identical hunting
techniques as yer domestic moggie).

Phil

 

When I was a kid we had a cat that used to terrorise passing dogs
(apart from ours). She had the technique of dropping onto their backs
from the fence and clinging onto their necks..

We too lost ours and we know exactly why - our next-door-but-one
neighbour shot her for being near his racing pidgeons. Whether she
*had* taken any I don't know but he was known in the road for killing
cats.

Phil.

 

Why should the dogs be muzzled if they are on thier owners property
fenced in.
This might sound harsh but simba was your cat , your responsiblity you
knew (or should have) that he liked to roam around the local gardens
, you knew that the neighbours dogs woudnt tolerate cats in thier yard,
What did you do to stop simba from wandering where he shouldnt ,the
neighbours erected a large fence what did you do to stop your cat
from attacking local wildlife in the neighbours gardens or scratching
up the plants and crapping everywhere , like most cat owners (me
included here) probably nothing . We cant have it both ways either we
accept full liablity for our cats actions as dog owners have to or we
accept that cats are by nature still act as though they are living in
the wild and accept the risks that entails



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Agreed. When we had dogs we both worked at the top of the road and
used to have a full lunch hour to be able to take them for a walk.
When we both got other jobs (further away) we didn't replace the dogs
as they eventually died (old age / illness etc).

I like Collies ... another 'real dog', reasonable size, good friend
and highly obedient (as you say, when trained) ;-)

Out of interest, those dogs that actually lived with cats, did they
all generally get on (ie, share the same blanket) or was there some
distance between them (I think I've seen both).

Possibly. I hadn't actually trained any of our snap hounds TO chase
(other than a stick or ball etc) but they all did if the circumstances
were right (like a rabbit in a field). They were also protective of
their territory so would also chase anything that appeared in our
(private) back garden, be it cat, fox or carrier bag!

Outside however (where two of the three would always be on the lead)
they would often look at a cat or passing dog but rarely do more than
that. The third (whippet / terrier) I reckon had been here before in
another form and fully understood English! "Stop, sit, stay, no,
fetch, leave" were acted on immediately, always. If I didn't say
"cummon" as we crossed over a side road she would just stay at the
kerb.

Whilst I understand your reasoning (especially atm) I can't agree
entirely. AFAIC, if someone has a pet it should be under control AT
ALL TIMES. Cat's have been a bain of my life (since we haven't had
dogs) constantly dumping on my garden / lawn / vegetable patch,
climbing over stuff (like wet paint), knocking stuff over and tearing
up the inside of stuff left outside under cover (like a motorbike
saddle and the insides of a car). Slugs and aphids have also been a
problem but that aren't anyone's pets I can and do kill them (even
then, regretfully).

And it's not just me. Many non cat owning neighbours have had to go to
various lengths to stop cats ... jumping all over their cars, killing
birds at the bird table, killing the fish in their pond etc etc. I
have had to buy (with my own money) and install and infra red water
sprinkler to deter other peoples *pets* from using my private back
garden as a toilet. I'm not sure how cat owners would feel if I popped
my dog over their fence for it to have a crap? :-(

I did have to have a quiet laugh the other day. A cat owning neighbour
(and friend) asked if I knew who might be putting some black grease
down to stop cats, as their cat had come back with it on it's paws and
walked it all over their light carpet and white leather furniture!

I didn't know at the time but later found out it was the guy a few
doors down who had been loosing fish from his pond and seen said cat
doing it several times. He then put the grease along the top of the
fence.

All the best ..

T i m

 

Ratting, rabbiting, hunting.. Only 'toy' dogs are bred specifically to
be arm-ornaments.

Take for example Dachshunts - the standards were bred for hunting
badgers (dach in German) and the minitures were bred for rabbiting.
Hence the short legs - so they can go down burrows.

You would be very very surprised. Small dogs often fare much better
than big dogs. The range of prey they can go for is (generally) easier
to catch (mice & rat sized stuff) and there is more of it.

Phil

 

Errare humanum est.

Phil

 

Cats are native here (as much as anything is). Which is why (before
humans took over) there were Lynxes, wildcats and the like. Domestic
cats are exactly the same species as wildcats.. (and can interbreed
with fertile offspring).

Phil.

 

Dogs and cats do get on when bought up together , the one cat we had
trained our sheperd at the time in the art of stalking torchering and
killing the local rat and mouse population . The cat used to walk with
impunity around the local park with the dog it was bloody funny to
watch

Any other cat that came in the garden though was fair game for either
of them

From what krusty posted the dogs are penned during the day when his
neigbour was at work you cant mussle a dog all he time its cruel and
these dogs were in thier own back yard not on a park

Its just unfortunate that krustys cat decided to go walk about when the
dogs were out of the pen .



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Likewise. Although I'm much more of a cat person.

Indeed. And (contrary to popular myth) can easily and happily co-exist.

Phil.

 

You have never seen a cat torment a mouse , rat or small bird your
obvously not very observant. Most domesticated moggies never eat the
prey they catch they just play with it

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