Carburettor or not the carburettor

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by taz, Jul 10, 2005.

  1. taz

    taz Guest

    Advise would be appreciated for a problem that has just developed
    on my Kawasaki KMX200. I took it for a longish road journey yesterday
    to give it a good warm through because I have not used it much this year.
    About ten miles into trip I ran out of fuel so I swapped to reserve and rode
    her to a garage to fill up. Filled up and rode her for another fifteen miles
    when
    while slowing down she just cut out. I checked all the obvious and after
    about
    five mins of fafing she started and I rode her home. She cut out again at
    home
    and has refused to start since.
    I have striped the carb because there seems to be no fuel on the spark plug
    when
    I remove it. Fuel gets to the carb ok so no blockage and all the jets and
    floats
    are where they are supposed to be. I have removed the exhaust baffle and
    checked
    the reed valves. There seems to be compression but I have not tested with a
    gauge.

    I am now lost as to what to do next so advise would be appreciated.

    taz.
     
    taz, Jul 10, 2005
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  2. taz

    asfdgsgse Guest

    Is there a spark?
     
    asfdgsgse, Jul 10, 2005
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  3. taz

    taz Guest

    ".
    Yes spark is good

    taz
     
    taz, Jul 10, 2005
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  4. taz

    taz Guest


    I checked the spark and it is good and strong. The plug is dry when
    removed. One other point I forgot to mention the bike now gives out
    what sounds like a wet fart every ten of fifteen kicks or so and it has
    never done that before.

    taz.
     
    taz, Jul 10, 2005
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  5. taz

    asfdgsgse Guest

    is the spark at the right time?
     
    asfdgsgse, Jul 10, 2005
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  6. taz

    taz Guest

    taz.

    I don't know and I don't know how I would find it if it was or not.
    I do not have access to a timing light.

    taz.
     
    taz, Jul 10, 2005
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  7. taz

    asfdgsgse Guest

    Not sure of this bike, but normally you can remove a cover to see the timing
    marks, with the plug out and resting on the head where you can see it (still
    connected to the plug lead), and with the ignition on, turn the engine over
    slowly with a spanner. you should see the spark when the timing marks line
    up. if so its fine if not its a problem.

    P
     
    asfdgsgse, Jul 10, 2005
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  8. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, taz
    Seems likely that in running out of fuel you've dredged up some crap
    from the bottom of the tank. I'd remove, strip and thoroughly clean the
    carb.

    Work carefully on a clean sheet of paper, so you don't get further crap
    in the carb. Use an airline (if you can) to blow the jets through. If
    not, use a can of carb cleaner. Careful with this stuff, it hurts if you
    get it in your eyes. Do *NOT* try to clean the jets by pushing anything
    through them.

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    and Ducati Race Engineer.

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  9. taz

    taz Guest

    Work carefully on a clean sheet of paper, so you don't get further crap in


    I have striped it down and there were a few solid particles in the float
    chamber and in the float valve. I thought "bingo sorted" but when rebuilt
    and installed it was just the same. I removed it again and checked all
    the possible settings against the manual and as far as I can see it should
    be ok.
    I've even turned it over with my hand against the air intake and I can feel
    a definite suction through the carb.

    taz.
     
    taz, Jul 10, 2005
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  10. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, taz
    Did you check the jets? If so, how?
    That tells you nothing other than that some air is getting through. What
    about fuel?

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets
    and Ducati Race Engineer.

    WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
    Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
    Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
    Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Yamaha GTS1000
     
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    Nick Guest

    Sounds like a problem I had once when the petrol tank cap breather hole was
    blocked causing a vacuum in the tank, I once pushed a bike from Kilburn to
    Harrow in the middle of the night before I sussed the problem.
     
    Nick, Jul 10, 2005
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  12. taz

    taz Guest

    Did you check the jets? If so, how?


    I could only clean, blow with air and visually inspect.


    As far as I can see no fuel is getting through. The plug is bone dry.


    taz.
     
    taz, Jul 11, 2005
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  13. taz

    taz Guest

    I am now lost as to what to do next so advise would be appreciated.

    That problem had crossed my mined cause the same happened to me
    a long time ago when the breather tube on the cap of my DT 175 MX
    got blocked with mud. I have tried turning her over with the cap off.


    taz.
     
    taz, Jul 11, 2005
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  14. taz

    sweller Guest

    If you haven't got an airline jets can be cleaned using a gas lighter
    refill aerosol.
     
    sweller, Jul 14, 2005
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  15. taz

    taz Guest

    If you haven't got an airline jets can be cleaned using a gas lighter
    I did blow it with compressed air I have a small air compressor
    for such jobs but I've proved its not the carb now. I striped the
    barrel and piston down and found the fault to be the rings and
    piston. So I've now got the cleanest carb but no suction to
    pull the fuel through.

    Cheers taz.
     
    taz, Jul 14, 2005
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    Andy Clews Guest

    Thus spake sweller unto the assembled multitudes:
    I'm sure the British Airports Authority would take a dim view of this. :)
     
    Andy Clews, Jul 14, 2005
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