Car cop's lethal death toll -- The Welsh Traffic Talban speaks..

you weren't hoovering at the same time, were you?

 

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A long headlight flash is generally taken as a warning. I agree, a short
flash may be misinterpreted.

MrBitsy

 

However, it is a realistic scenario. One should always be prepared to
slow down, even if the right of way is your own. I will nearly always
slow to some extent when I see a vehicle waiting to enter a main road.

Yes you can. If the following driver is put out then thats their problem.
Until I can satisfy myself the other driver has seen me, the only
sensible option is to slow in anticipation of the other vehicle moving
out.

The headlight flash should be used for its intended purpose and is a
useful warning. Of course, you have to be prepared for it to be
misunderstood, so in some circumstances I would agree its best not used.

Thats precisley why I suggest it is prudent to slow at all junctions, if
you are not sure the other driver has seen you.

A pity the bikers havn't and are prepared to use full beam in the wrong
situations.

MrBitsy.

 

Can you provide evidence of the number of bikers using Full Beam in
the wrong situations?

 

There is the other school of thought and action, to which I subscribe
when appropriate. Make the other driver's decision for them and give
it a handful, passing the area of high risk before they can pull out -
through the potential scene of the incident and away before it can
happen.

You're trolling now, aren't you. That's rhetorical, btw.

 

As we have already said, driving carries a risk and all we can do is
minimize that risk.

It certainly isn't valueless. A long flash is generally not misunderstood
but a short one can be. Most recent use of headlight flash was to warn a
driver about to move from lane 1 to lane 2 as I was approaching. A long
flash got their attention and they stopped the move.

Thats because your a biker, and in most people minds your a speed
infatuated menace that can't be trusted. This impression is perpetuated
by so many bikers, for example, using full beam all the time.

I don't share this view of course as I treat all road users with equal
respect. I try and see problems from their point of view and drive
accordingly.

I have asked many collegues and friends their views on bikers and in
nearly every case, the response is similar to what I gave above - a
shame, but there you go!

You disagree - strange considering you say, 'graveyards are full of
people who were in the right'

MrBitsy.

 

Sensible - it is quite often prudent to do as you suggest.

MrBitsy.

 

THEY DON'T.

 

How about SITARTFAA (Shit Injuries That Aren't Really That Funny After All)
It could go with SSTATFAA (Shit Stories That...) and everyone on the ng
could have a number!!!

 

Counter productive use of main beam. The HC states quite clearly nobody
should dazzle other drivers. Bikers using main beam are just perpetuating
other drivers bigotry.

Ok, I get the drift - one point was not directly related to the other. I
asked each of my family members what they thought of bikers. They thought
they were

1. Speed infatuated menace
2. Twats who use full beam in the same way as prats use fog light on cars
3. Dangerous risk takers

Some of this comes from never being bikers themselves and seeing it from
a bikers point of view. Unfortunately, many bikers do not do anything to
dispell this perception.

Sorry, it was not my intention to sound condescending.

MrBitsy

 

Never?

I popped out to the supermarket at lunchtime and was blinded by a bike
turning left at a roundabout with full beam on.

MrBitsy.

 

How do you know it was full beam?

 

I broke my toe by dropping an engine (1098 series A) on it.

 

But "MrBitsy" [0] says otherwise, so you must be wrong and he must be
right.


[0] How gash is /that/?

 

Do you mean "Dangerous risk-takers" or "Dangerous-risk takers", as
there is a vast difference in meaning?

Why should they? The perception is in the brain of the perceiver, not
the perceived. Bikers have no duty here.

 

Probably because if this is sidelights/dipped, main beam would push the eyes
out of the back of your head ;-)

BTW, question for the bikers : Do you know of a biker being buried today in
Runcorn? I went to hand deliver a letter, and there was a _huge_
congregation outside the church at Weston Point, with more bikers there than
you'd expect to see in one place where a non-biker was involved. Must have
been a very well-liked person.

Pete.

 

I popped out at lunchtime and was tailgated at 30 mph in a 30 limit by
a young woman in a big 4x4 preening herself in her rear-view mirror.
Was she a 'dangerous-risk taker' or a 'dangerous risk-taker'?

I see more of this behaviour than I do of bikers with full-beam on
during the day.

 

I wish more car users wouldn't use main beam when there's another road user
(biker, cyclist, pedestrian, driver, trucker etc) around.

Selfish bastards & all that.

It could be that the well-behaved bikers don't stand out, and aren't
noticed. It's the ones that behave like tits who do get noticed, eg the one
yesterday, giving it some beans in the centre of Christleton, overtaking
traffic already going too fast). I've got 2 memorable "bad biker"
experiences.

1) A55 Westbound, just before the A483. I was overtaking a coach, I was
probably doing ~75mph (80 indicated). Bike came up behind me, couldn't wait
for 10 seconds while I overtook the coach, so squeezed between us like I was
standing still!

2) Same bit of road, on the other side. I'd just come off the A483, (after
noticing a biker in full leathers sitting on the flyover), and met another
biker heading _the wrong way_ down the A55 (not in full leathers), with
purple headlights (probably on main beam ;-p).

Apart from that, I _personally_ find most bikers pretty well behaved. If I'm
overtaking something, and see one coming, I'll give a flash of my
indicators, just to tell them I've seen them, and I'll get out of the way
(if they're going that much faster than me), and 95% wave a thank you.
(Better than most of the car drivers out there TBH!)

Pete.

 

Staing and re-stating the same sentence repeatedly does not an
argument make. He says, argumentatively ... ;-)