Veggie Dave scribbled on the back of a napkin: [QUOTE] 'Cos you really do need to know how to use a camera to get a truly good B&W shot, and the vast majority of camera users these days are point and shoot merchants. And yes, I include a hell of a lot of pros in that comment[/QUOTE] Not to mention that getting really good B&W shots also means you'll spent a long time in darkened rooms, and I'm not talking about the back room of the local here.