Can I make homemade carb sync tool?

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by groups1, Jul 24, 2005.

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    groups1 Guest

    I was just looking at carb sync tools and ran acroos this:

    http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp

    It's basically a recipe for a homemade device; get a long PVC tube,
    make a U out of it and attach it to a yardstick. Fill partway with
    oil, then connect to 2 carbs to sync them.

    I'm curious if this would work. My first instinct is that the pressure
    differential between carbs would suck the oil into towards the
    more-vacuum carb and into the carb itself (which would be funny, but
    not useful I'd imagine). But is it the case that there's usually such
    a small vacuum differential that it will only "lift" the oil towards
    one carb but not suck it out completely? I'd love to try it, as it
    seems like a fun project, but I'm just curious as to the theory behind
    it. Also; would sucking a bit of motor oil into the vacuum port likely
    harm a carb? (in the case that it does have enough vaccum to suck oil
    out of the tube).

    Also, could I just get a pair of automotive MAP sensors (manifold
    absolute pressure, digital pressure guages), hook them up to a display,
    and just sync on that? Are they accurate enough? I think they
    normally work up to 24 psi or such. Could these be connected
    "backwards" to measure vacuum instead of pressure? Sorry if these
    questions don't make sense, I'm curious but in a hurry and out the
    door. Any comments, corrections, links, experiences welcome. Thanks.
     
    groups1, Jul 24, 2005
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    G C Guest

    In my Clymers for the Old Honda 750 there is a rather detailed set of
    instructions and drawings for a do it yourself sync tool. Uses baby food
    jars and scrap lumber. Looks like something out of a 1950's Popular
    Mechanics. (It does work, too.)
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    G C, Jul 25, 2005
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    Mark,
    Thanks so much for the reply. I've been really wanting to sync the
    carbs, but have hesitated buying a carbtune (or similar). I think I'll
    try this method first. I've got an inline 4... so I'm guessing I could
    use 2 tubes, one for 1 and 2, the other for 3 and 4. Once both
    cylinder pairs are synced, then connect 2 and 3 (or 1 and 4) and sync
    that?

    One problem is the vacuum adapters (don't know the name). I've got 2
    cylinders with vacuum lines coming out (fuel pump, vacuum operated fuel
    petcock), and two with screws. For the screws, what could I use to
    attach a hose to? Is there an easy way to make/get an adapter? I know
    the carbtune kits come with those.

    GC, I'd love to see that tool. I love (obsess over) DIY tools,
    especially the very cheap/convenient and useful kind. Could you sum up
    the gist of that tool? I'll probably go with a simpler method, but it
    just sounds interesting.

    And about the MAP sensor... seems like a fun idea, and I've done a bit
    of electronics/digital work before so I might revisit it. I think I'll
    stick with the oil thing (manometer?) for now.
     
    groups1, Jul 25, 2005
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    If the vacuum ports you need to hook up to are hooked up to something
    I'll probably go with the alternate fuel bottle thing. Seems easier
    than propping my gas tank above my carbs somehow. 2 things; First, is
    it possible to do the carb tuning with the tank in place, or with the
    tank slightly lifted? I can see the screws on the outside of the carb,
    3 screws each between a pair of carbs, all pointing towards the rear of
    the bike. Second, out of curiosity could I simply put a "T" section in
    to drive both my meter and the fuel pump/petcock from the same vacuum?
    Would those readings be innaccurate?

    Again, I'll probably just use a separate fuel bottle and avoid the
    hassle, but I'm curious about alternatives. Thanks for the comments,
    they've been helpful (now I just have to find time to actually do it).
     
    groups1, Jul 25, 2005
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    B. Peg Guest

    I'm curious if this would work.

    Yes. Make one. USe it. You'll most likely do a better job than your
    dealer, even with his $2000 custom analyzer.
    Mine is water filled. Stands about 6 feet tall. Hooks onto the rafters in
    the garage. Might fill it with fork oil just in case it ever does suck into
    the engine. So far, no problem.
    I have one of those electronic things. It fluctuates badly at idle. Cannot
    remember the name of it offhand as I use the columns now. Starts with
    letter "T" I think and takes a forever dead 9 volt battery.

    B~
     
    B. Peg, Jul 25, 2005
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  6. I built one and use it occasionally. Rather than just a U, I
    suggest a U with a crossover tube and valve at the top of the U.

    With the crossover valve wide open, vacuum is equalized between
    the two legs of the U. As you gradually close down the crossover
    valve, you'll begin to see the fluid lift on one leg and drop
    on the other but you should be able to detect this before it
    sucks up any fluid.

    The valve lets you adjust the sensitivity gradually. If you want
    to fiddle with an adjustment, you can open it back up again while
    you fiddle then close back down to test it.

    Drip irrigation valves work very well for this project. You might
    also want to use a carb jet or other flow restrictor in each leg of
    the U close to the carb connection.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jul 25, 2005
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