Cagiva Mito 500

shouldn't be too exxy. It'd have to be under 10Grand, and I'd be hoping closer to 8K
Can I have some of those pills pls.. they are working wonders on you

Go look what a CRF450 goes for now without lights etc.

 

FYI for Betty, according to the guy at the motor show the other week,
the Mito 4 stroke single (prob still a 510 Husky motor) is likely to
make an appearance in 2010 and be shown at the 2009 EICMA bike show.
Very much subject to how well the new extra MV Agusta models go (ie the
675 triple etc)

JL

 

They replaced the XR with the CRF-x the x but they are stupid
price...
http://www.hondampe.com.au/reposito.../off-road/enduro/crf450x-08/introduction.aspx

I cant see your Mito being under $13k

 

Wow - all good things come to those who wait.... thanks John - will keep an
eye open for it!

betty

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:51:08 +1100

Hmmm... sounds like something I'd like!

Although probably not the price tag.

Zebee

 

Well you, me and Betty makes 3...

My patience level might not stretch to 2010 though - I may end up
building one myself although I'm thinking the 450Husaberg motor I saw a
write up of in one of the bike mags - IIRC (ie I'm thinking of the right
motor) they've done the R1 thing and stacked the crank and gearbox and
have made it very small and light.

Actually, I'll throw that one to the group (particularly the dirt guys)
- what is the smallest lightest 400 -650cc single 4stroke that you know
of ? I don't mind if it needs a rebuild every 4000Km (ie race tune
motors fine as long as they have been Road ADR'd)

Prolly, although realistically they shouldn't charge stupid bucks for
it, they've long since recovered the tooling on the Mito, and it really
comes down to a wee bit of engineering to shoehorn the motor in and the
costs of homologating for ADR/Euro etc - shouldn't be too exxy. It'd
have to be under 10Grand, and I'd be hoping closer to 8K

JL
(I told the guys at Feeney's a deposit is just waiting for them to say
it's definitely on a boat)

 

Is the CRF Road registerable ? Ie is that motor complianced ? Makes it
too hard to get it passed as a special otherwise.

JL

 

OK, so the full bike is 12K ++ but that's OK, I'd look at a crate
motor if I used one. The motor doesn't have to have come out of a
complianced bike, it just needs to be one that is on the complianced
list

Mmm, if I buy 2 brand new bikes to build it with , it'd be circa 20K
plus build costs (prob another 2-4K) but I've no intention of doing
that. If I build myself rather than wait for Cagiva then I'd be
looking at:

2nd hand Mito - 2-4K (hopefully I can find one with a blown motor
that'll make it cheaper), they're about 7K +ORC new IIRC, so it
shouldn't be too hard to find a second hand one for 4K or so.

Crate motor - 4-5K

Some welding and fabrication work - 2-3K (would hope it's less than
that)

So 8 - 12K - that sounds about what I'd expect. It'll certainly be
dearer than getting Cagiva to do it, but then I don't have to wait,
and I'll put in a more highly tuned motor than the factory I suspect.

Custom bikes are never cheap - its why I held off doing this and
waited for Cagiva to do so

JL

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:27:53 -0800 (PST)

Well if they don't then why don't we make 2 of 'em...

Zebee

 

Dude read the thread - I'm talking about the official Cagiva version
in the above not the one I'd build myself. Although as I totted up, a
new crate CR motor into a 2nd hand Mito should come in under 12K - I
wouldn't buy the whole bike 'cos all I want is the motor.

JL

 

Hey Betty, wanna make it 3 ?

There would definitely be some cost savings in doing a batch

JL

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:18:36 -0800 (PST)

Question is... will it be registerable? I have some idea that the
donor motor can't make more horses than the original, although
possibly the engineer can certify the chassis/brakes as suitable.

Zebee

 

I suggest you ask a motor engineer , you should be ok with an
individually constructed with around 4oo to 500 for inspections

 

Be nice, you lot, wait on the official one being built.

If you don't, it'll only drive up the prices on older Mitos with stuffed
motors, and I am still looking for one of them, for the Rz engined job.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Naah. The rule(1) you're thinking of (NSW specific) is that if the
donor engine is less than 20%(2) capacity greater than the original
motor, and is the same age or newer (for pollution regs reasons) and
is a complianced motor (for pollution regs). Then it doesn't need an
engineers certificate. Which is one I've always had stashed away in
the back of my head - a CBR250RR with a good 250 2 stroke motor would
be a nice little swap (except for the difficulty getting smokers now)
- they didn't think about 4 stroke vs 2 stroke when they wrote it

But yeah the swap we're talking def req's an engineer's certificate,
but it's well within common parameters, the Mito has good front brakes
- far better than many 500 singles, and I'd be seriously considering
upping the ante on the front end on mine as well

The pollution regs are actually the ones to be most careful of - you
basically can't put an older motor than what's in the frame already
without causing yourself a lot of grief. Go newer and it's a tick the
boxes jobby

I'd be surprised if something like a Honda CR450 motor or the Husaberg
450 I was thinking of earlier into a mito frame would cause any dramas
for compliance

JL
1 NB I haven't checked the regs for a couple of years - they could
have changed it but I doubt it - it makes good sense for cars and they
never think about bikes
2 Will have to check now, might have been 10%

 

BTW as per other note in this thread, I dunno how your mate got his
passed through compliance - the RZ engine being older than theframe
would be an issue for the pollution regs

JL

 

For pink slips, yes, but for a blue slip, I actually had to
jump through quite a few hoops. No-one wanted to look at my
bike, and only after being referred around the place to several
different places, AND swearing blind that the zzr250 was absolutely
stock standard and just had expired rego, AND begging, did
someone finally agree to 'inspect' it.

They all made lots of mutterings about bikes being more work
than the fifty-odd dollars is worth, people bringing in custom
stuff that needs to be gone over with a fine toothed comb,
etc, etc.

A bloke who does pink slips that I've spoken to takes the position
that anything wrong with a bike that's serious enough to warrant
failing the inspection is likely to be something that the owner
will fix pronto out of self preservation and considers that a pink
slip inspection on a bike is less trouble than same on a car. He
checks all the usual stuff of course, but considers that the fine
toothed comb isn't required. Also, the RTA specifically instructs
inspectors to be thorough, but not to be pricks about it, so
they're not silly about pink slips generally.


GB

 

JL wrote:

<shrug> Dunno, never heard the full story, but I think he just fronted
up to a "blue slip" place and got it inspected.

It was regoed as a 250, since the bottom end still had a 250 engine
number, even tho the top end had been 350ed, and was even a LAMS bike!

As you say in other posting, I think there is a degree of attention paid
to cars, which bikes sort of slide away from.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Give me a yell if you're in this position again, there's a guy in
Artarmon who is quite reasonable for blue slips, ditto one in
Drummoyne. They are cars guys but capable of opening their book and
using their brains.

JL
Big T in Drummoyne, and the electrical guys in Artarmon I forget their
name, Arlec ? Will have to look it up.

 

That's why we gave up our vic RWC license a couple of years back. The
amount of testing required to *actually* determine if a vehicle had no
faults was (and still is) completely out of touch with what the going
rate one gets for a RWC test.

Since then 2 other of the remaining RWC test stations have also passed
in their testing licenses. Those 2 were the ones I'd trust most to get
an RWC from.

What's being left behind are places that say to their testing mechanics
"this is how long it takes to do a test, don't take any longer" (and
that time is not long enough) and even worse the ones who say things
like "don't be too strict it just reduces business".

That's not good for road safety...


G-S