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Champ says...

Phone charger under the seat....shall I continue?

 

Not Renntec and was fitted by the previous owner.
Guilty as charged, but at least said nut was not anodised purple -
except perhaps in February.

Go on then, fill your boots.

 

The way of all ferrous motorcycle parts, innit. Spontaneous ginger
anodising, which can only be controlled by application of Solvol.

 

I've got a marvellous mental image of Elly attacking your bonce with a
rag and tube of solvol now

 

I didn't say it wasn't possible. I'm saying that I haven't seen it.

A ZX10 and a GSXR1000 isn't a Bandit 1200. All I said was that I'm
yet to see a Bandit 1200 with a road-legal can and 129bhp at the back
wheel. I'm introducing an alternative to the position you took in the
post above.

 

Lovely.

She uses polishing mops and coarse compound, actually.

 

Ben Blaney says...

I doubt anyone has seen that much out of a Bandit with a road legal can,
certainly not the standard one. Thing is, most Bandit 12 owners seem to
think the normal power increase is only possible with noisy cans,
something I don't agree with.

I was suggesting an alternative.

 

Mine's only got a noisy can because that's the way it came, and I can't
be arsed to swap it for the standard one. I don't think it's as loud as
the Falco[1], and it's not going to be an issue at MOT time.

You even-handed weirdo, you.


[1] Wipes reminiscent tear from eye

 

You said that you can get as much power with a road legal can as with
a race one. I don't think that's the case.

 

Just run after most *loud* mopeds and ask them how much extra power it is making.

 

Ben Blaney says...

In the case of a Bandit 1200 I am pretty sure you can. The same road
legal aftermarket end cans are used on a variety of bikes, alot of them
quite easily going over the 140bhp mark in standard form. The cans
available are quite capable of flowing enough gas to allow a Bandit 1200
to reach the same power levels as a race can will allow, given the same
state of tune. For its capacity the Bandit 1200 engine is very softly
tuned and doesn't flow exhaust gas in the same quantities or speeds as
most other bikes that will happily run with the same aftermarket road
legal can.

 

I haven't seen one.

 

Ben Blaney says...

You have limited experience of motorcycles

 

Well, I've got a dyno chart for a Bandit 1200 with a race can showing
129.something at the back wheel. If you want to provide a dyno chart
for one with a road-legal can showing more bhp, then fine.

 

Ben Blaney says...

I'll find one, somewhere.

 

Bear says...

It's like BOO!, as opposed to Boo.

 

cf. 'Scanners'

 

I have:
http://www.jbracing.co.uk/Details.cfm?ProdID=3

The Quill T3, choice of the more mature rider, apparently - and those
who want to do hooli things without Plod down the road getting enough
aural warning to ditch the doughnuts and prepare the hairdryer.

There are others, too - the Akrapovic road can, and I think Remus do
one too - Renegade as well, I think.

The thing is that as any fule kno, the best VFM tuning tweak for a B12
is to bin the restrictive standard can and lob a race can on, and hey
presto ~10bhp pops out of the hat. When most fules go looking for a
can, cost is an issue - so they end up with a Scorpion or Art can from
the BMF or somewhere that's knocking them out for a ton.

These cans are no more 'race' cans than coloured anodised bolts are
race items, but that doesn't really matter - they're just large tubes
that are free from restriction; not through exhaustive (sic) R&D but
because they're large diameter empty tubes. Large diameter empty
tubes are not noisy or efficient by (lack of) design, they just don't
affect the gas speed or sound level passing through them as that
wasn't an issue on the spec sheet.

In short, Bandits (and most bikes for that matter) end up with cheap
and nasty POS cans fitted to them as the gains in bhp are worthwhile
for the cost. A properly designed can may yield as much or even more
power, but cost a bit more.

Loud cans are popular with many fules because they like to ride around
on a bike that infringes the law, enhancing their status as a 'rebel'.
All they need then for a full house are the matching small plate,
black visor and helmet strap undone and they can lose their licence
for a while all in one swell foop. Fine if they want it like that.

 

It's not mine anymore, it's DNC's. I kept crashing it, then
emigrated.

It's got a dynojet, correct.

 

Well, I wrote that para with tongue firmly in cheek. I fitted a
Kevlar Scorpion to my B12 and it certainly improved the pickup. Not
only that, but the number of wavering peds dropped noticeably - no
longer would they stick a speculative foot over the kerb as they aimed
to cross the road without thinking or looking, while drinking from a
can, sending a text message or wibbling at another ped - they'd hear
or feel the rumble and I've seen them actually take a step *back* from
the kerb.

It helped filtering down the M1 too - quicker to give a wandering car
driver a twist of right wrist than find and press the horn button and
five times as effective. That's why I'm more than happy to leave the
'Not for road use' Laser on the RF - additionally, it too has been
Dynojetted and set up to run with a less-restrictive can and I don't
want to lose that.

To get 129bhp it will have had a jet kit fitted as well as the can.

Not only that, but the stock B12 output varied from ~95 - ~105
depending on how well the factory screwed individual engines together.

I think they're a visual plea for a tug, myself.

I suppose if you have a bike with a visually appealing rear then it
may be aesthetically acceptable to use a small plate, but we're
talking about Bandits here. Not only that, but a full sized plate
conceals the Scottoiler reservoir very nicely.