Buell closing?

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Bernd Rosemeier, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. Bernd Rosemeier, Oct 15, 2009
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    alx Guest

    If it's on the intanet thingy it must be true ;-)
     
    alx, Oct 15, 2009
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    Toosmoky Guest

    Ain't no doubt. Bastards.
     
    Toosmoky, Oct 15, 2009
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    Marty H Guest

    you can see his heart breaking in front of you..

    another reason to hate HD, backwards thinking morons

    mh
     
    Marty H, Oct 15, 2009
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  5. Bernd Rosemeier

    JL Guest

    JL, Oct 16, 2009
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  6. October 15th 2009

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Harley-Davidson Inc. said Thursday that its third-quarter
    profit slid 84 percent on fewer motorcycle shipments and recession-related
    difficulties in getting loans for its customers.

    The motorcycle manufacturer also plans to stop making Buell motorcycle
    products and will sell its MV Agusta division as it looks to concentrate
    efforts more on its namesake brand.

    ''We believe we can create a bright long-term future for our stakeholders
    through a single-minded focus on the Harley-Davidson brand,'' CEO Keith
    Wandell said in a statement.

    The Milwaukee-based company will sell off its remaining Buell inventory,
    including motorcycles, accessories and apparel, through its authorized
    dealerships while supplies last. Dealerships will continue to provide
    replacement parts and service for Buell bikes, with warranty coverage
    continued as well. The line's closing will likely result in a $125 million
    one-time cost for Harley-Davidson, with approximately $115 million expected
    this year.

    The move means about 100 salaried workers and about 80 hourly positions will
    be eliminated, with most of the cuts occurring by Dec. 18.

    Shares fell 80 cents, or 3.1 percent, to $25.46 in electronic premarket
    trading.

    Harley-Davidson -- which has already implemented production and job cuts
    this year -- earned $26.5 million, or 11 cents per share, for the period
    ended Sept. 27, down from $166.5 million, or 71 cents per share, a year ago.

    Quarterly results included a $14.2 million, one-time fixed-asset impairment
    charge for Buell and an $18.9 million goodwill impairment charge related to
    its plan to sell off Varese, Italy-baesd MV Agusta, which is known for its
    sport motorcycles.

    Accounting for Buell and MV Agusta, Harley-Davidson now expects
    restructuring charges of $215 million to $245 million between 2009 and
    2010 -- a $55 million increase from its prior forecast. Annual savings from
    the restructuring efforts are targeted between $140 million and $150
    million.

    Third-quarter sales dropped 21 percent to $1.12 billion from $1.42 billion,
    but its retail motorcycle sales decline of 21.3 percent was not as steep as
    the previous quarter's 30.1 percent dropoff.

    Analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters, whose estimates typically exclude
    one-time items, forecast profit of 21 cents per share on revenue of $1.1
    billion.

    Harley-Davidson said the economic downturn has crimped the retail and
    wholesale loan performance of lending arm, Harley-Davidson Financial
    Services. The unit has struggled as tighter credit markets have made it
    harder for customers to get loans and it has had a difficult time bundling
    and selling ''securitized'' loans, which it has relied on for funding.

    The financial services division posted an operating loss of $31.5 million
    for the quarter on increased interest expense and a higher provision for
    credit losses in its retail and wholesale portfolios.

    Harley-Davidson also narrowed its full-year motorcycle shipment
    expectations. The company now anticipates shipping 222,000 to 227,000
    Harley-Davidson motorcycles to dealers, including 35,000 to 40,000 during
    the fourth quarter. Previously, the bike maker estimated it would ship
    between 212,000 and 228,000 motorcycles to its dealers and distributors
    worldwide for the year.
    Buell Motorcycle Co. plans to shut down its East Troy plant during November
    and December, resulting in the temporary layoff of 50 employees.
    Buell, a subsidiary of Milwaukee-based Harley-Davidson Inc. (NYSE: HOG),
    will pay eight days of holiday pay for the remainder of 2009 and will
    continue medical benefits during the shutdown, according to a notice filed
    Sept. 8 with the Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development.
    Buell did not indicate a reason for the temporary shutdown in the filing.
    Parent company Harley-Davidson is temporarily halting production at its
    Wauwatosa plant and other factories for 14 weeks, including the entire
    fourth quarter, to realign production with reduced demand for motorcycles.
    Buell's last day of production will be Oct. 30. Workers are expected to
    return to their jobs on Jan. 4, 2010.
    The employees are not represented by a union.
     
    George W Frost, Oct 16, 2009
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  7. Bernd Rosemeier

    Toosmoky Guest

    I hope he goes on to found a new company building new and better bikes
    using modern engines.
     
    Toosmoky, Oct 16, 2009
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    Nev.. Guest

    Why would you hate HD? What have they ever done to you?

    Nev..
     
    Nev.., Oct 16, 2009
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    JL Guest

    I'd agree - very shortsighted business strategy. Given the primary
    demographic for the core business is aging and they've not been very
    successful at repositioning to a younger demographic (who tend to buy
    sports bikes), I'd call it outright dumb. They need to be diversifying
    their revenue streams to make them more resilient not reducing them.

    On the plus side at least I won't have be embarrassed by who owns the
    manufacturer of my bike soon - it'll probably get sold to Zongshen or
    Tata :)

    JL
     
    JL, Oct 16, 2009
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  10. Bernd Rosemeier

    gwd Guest

    Good designs badly made/bad designs propped up by cult status. Take
    your pick, but bells seem to be ringing. A familiar sound?
     
    gwd, Oct 16, 2009
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  11. Bernd Rosemeier

    JL Guest

    I think that bell you're hearing is Big Ben...

    JL
    (but then I've been predicting the demise of Hogly for near a decade
    and been proved wrong by the Baby Boomers keeping up their love affair
    with Easy Rider etc)
     
    JL, Oct 16, 2009
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  12. Bernd Rosemeier

    atec 7 7 Guest

    I just wonder at the decision unless they have other intentions for the
    longer term future
    which is how Buell go started
    Of course it makes the existing ones a classic and worth more
    even mine
     
    atec 7 7, Oct 16, 2009
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  13. Bernd Rosemeier

    gwd Guest

    That loud huh?
    The flow of baby boomers moving through "dreams of Misspent Youth"
    must have peaked by now, so this cult business must be turning into a
    rather shaky prop for the feets forward market. Things like
    performance, distance reliability, endurance over time, comfort -
    stuff that Japanese manufacturers recognised all those decades ago -
    have got to be revisited. HD in the list of great names that could not
    cut it..? A prospect that might become realty if good decisions are
    not made soonish.
    Like others, I'm not sure if the Buell decision qualifies as good
    though.
     
    gwd, Oct 16, 2009
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  14. HD will always do well. As we speak there is a whole new generation of cashed
    up bogans, lesbians and accountants who want to hard men queuing up to buy
    their product. The bikes are a sideline anyway. Their main business is
    t-shirts.

    Fraser
     
    Fraser Johnston, Oct 16, 2009
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  15. You may own the T-shirt
    But,
    do you own the bike ??
     
    George W Frost, Oct 16, 2009
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  16. Bernd Rosemeier

    Toosmoky Guest

    Sounds like a Harley to me...
     
    Toosmoky, Oct 16, 2009
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  17. Very few people do. I'd pin the number at less than 5% if I had to guess.

    Fraser
     
    Fraser Johnston, Oct 16, 2009
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  18. In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:04:37 -0700 (PDT)
    I have a 70s mag which has a whinge about Harleys and born again
    bikers and well heeled wannabe rebels and how HD is going to go out of
    business when they die off...

    HD damn near did too, then managed to get the Evo motor going, and
    sprang to life.

    Don't write 'em off until they really have died.

    *every* manufacturer is going to find that there aren't as many people
    buying bikes anymore as the baby boom bulge dies off.

    Are people under 25 buying bikes in any numbers? If not, will they buy them when
    they are over 25? And what will they buy?


    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Oct 16, 2009
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  19. Then they would be 5 times better than the 1% club ??
     
    George W Frost, Oct 16, 2009
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  20. Vintage model Buells
     
    George W Frost, Oct 16, 2009
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