Buckled wheel sorted

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2005.

  1. So I toted the "Get that sorted if you want an MoT" front wheel from the
    Duke down to Tunbridge Wells, gave it to the daughter-in-law of The Man
    Who Straightens Things[1] there, and the next day got a call: "She's
    bringing it back tomorrow. Sorted. Sixty quic please."

    Nice.

    Then: "Blimey, there were about ten dings in that wheel. It's obviously
    seen some use."

    "Er, yes, well, it's done some miles....."

    "You didn't crash it, did yer?"

    "No."

    OK. Only those Ducati wheels are like BMW ones - really soft. Its just
    that it was in a bit of a state....."

    Collect it today. Then I need to get the swinging arm re-shimmed[2] and
    I should be ready for the French Run.

    [1] Motoliner of Maidstone. Frames, wheels, discs....

    [2] Arcane form of Ducati s/arm adjustment, best left to SWK. Oh, and
    they can replace the s/arm with the spiffy one I've got. And shove some
    new wheel bearings in. And then it'll probably be pissing down for the
    French Run so I'll end up taking the Trophy anyway.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2005
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    YTC#1 Guest

    Or at least within 53 feet
     
    YTC#1, Apr 20, 2005
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    antonye Guest

    Nah, it's a piece of piss. Just keep adding shims until it
    doesn't rock anymore! Best done with the wheel and shock
    off the wswingarm too.

    The bearings aren't that bad to do either but if you're
    having the lot done at once then it's probably best to
    get a man in.
     
    antonye, Apr 20, 2005
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  4. The Older Gentleman

    TOG Guest

    I bloody well hope the s/arm bearings are just a matter of re-shimming.

    The actual bearings are ball races, fitted in housings in the back of
    the crankcase. Blind housings, as you probably know.

    Apparently getting them out is a crying bitch. I suppose it's a Dremel
    job.

    Yeah, GAMI. I simply haven't got the time to do it myself atm. and I
    don't have any shims anyway.
     
    TOG, Apr 20, 2005
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  5. The Older Gentleman

    'Hog Guest

    There will be *A Tool*

    'Hog
     
    'Hog, Apr 20, 2005
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    TOG Guest

    If there is, then Pro Team don't seem to know of it. I could
    practically hear them shuddering down the phone at the prospect.

    To be honest, I don't know of any special tools to get ball races out
    of blind housings.

    The good news is that apparently the ball races last damn nearly
    forever. We shall see.....

    And on the SOB front, the new head races in the CB750 have made a hell
    o a difference. It still doesn't handle, of course, but the colossal
    notch - more of an axe-cut - in the centre has gone, meaning that when
    you take a slow bend there's no more of this: "Come on, turn, turn you
    bugger, turn...*CLICK*... FUUCCKKKK!!"

    The old bearings were the originals. The grease had completely hardened
    and could be rolled into balls between your fingertips like a good
    bogey. The cups and cones themselves clearly bore the marks of the old
    ball bearings.

    Now... well, it steers easier, but by Christ there's been some chassis
    progress in the last 30 years. If anyone wants a go on it some time...
     
    TOG, Apr 20, 2005
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  7. The Older Gentleman

    'Hog Guest

    There is a specific type of puller set for this very conundrum. Not
    cheap though.

    'Hog
     
    'Hog, Apr 20, 2005
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  8. The Older Gentleman

    TOG Guest

    Worth knowing, I suppose, though I can understand why people don't tend
    to keep one in the toolbox. How many bikes besides Ducatis use blind
    ball bearings?

    Don't tell me... let me guess.... manufacturers with a talent for
    eccentric engineering...

    BMW?
     
    TOG, Apr 20, 2005
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    mups Guest

    mups, Apr 20, 2005
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  10. The Older Gentleman

    'Hog Guest

    *cough* possibly.
    Facom do one similar to the link Mups posted so it's probably a common
    enough habit in automotive world.

    'Hog
     
    'Hog, Apr 20, 2005
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    antonye Guest

    Play in the swingarm is - just add more shims betwixt the
    arm and the engine until it goes. As you say though, probably
    best to take it somewhere with a stock of shims so they only
    bill you for the ones you end up needing.

    As for the bearings, I'm sure it's covered in either the
    BoL or the workshop manual. I think you can knock them out
    from the other side, obviously with a very long knocking
    device. But I could be wrong.

    The bike is now back with TecMoto to have a race exhaust
    made up by Gibsons as they're just round the corner and the
    owner of TecMoto, Chris, has used them before for his own
    racing Ducati things - singles/250s/whatever they are.
     
    antonye, Apr 20, 2005
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  12. The Older Gentleman

    antonye Guest

    BoL:

    5.14 Swingarm

    Bearing Replacement

    5. The swingarm bearings are housed in the crankcases.
    Each crankcase half houses a seal on the outside, two
    needle roller bearings and a seal and retaining circlip
    on the inside. Lever out the seals with a screwdriver
    to access the bearings (see illustration 14.4a)

    6. Worn bearings can be drifted or pulled out of their
    bores, but note that removal will destroy them; new
    bearings should be obtained before the work commences.
    The new bearings should be pressed or drawn into their
    bores rather than driven into position. In the absence
    of a press, a suitable drawbolt arrangement can be made
    up as described in Section 11 of this Chapter [1].
    Otherwise the bearings must be replaced by a Ducati
    dealer. If the bearings are replaced, also fit new
    seals (see illustration).

    [1] basically a piece of threaded rod with a heavy duty
    washer and a nut on one end. Slide it through the pivot
    and put the bearing in place, over the rod. Put a washer
    over the bearing and another nut. Then tighten the other
    side to draw it down into the casing. But then you
    gathered that!
     
    antonye, Apr 20, 2005
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    GAMI

    Every weekend for the last month I've been faffing with bikes: stripping
    them down, cleaning them, servicing them, fixing electrical problems,
    doing the head races, whatever. Enough. I'm paying some other sod to do
    this.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2005
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  14. I've just serviced my FJ12 before it's MOT and noticed the centre stand
    had gone TOTALLY rusty. So I cleaned it and painted it with smoothright,
    or whatever they call it now.

    Very satisfying............
     
    Mick Whittingham, Apr 20, 2005
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    sweller Guest

    Count me out.

    I've had one and know how awful they are. I had a C15 that felt more
    stable.
     
    sweller, Apr 21, 2005
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  16. The Older Gentleman

    sweller Guest

    You can buy or hire blind bearing pullers but I've used an expanding bolt
    and a slide hammer to withdraw stuff like that in the past.
     
    sweller, Apr 21, 2005
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