Bridgestone 010's V 020's

Can anybody who has tried both on the same bike comment on just how much
less wet or dry grip an 020 has compared to an 010? Decking the pegs (and
engine bars) on 010's is no problem.

I got a Bandit6 and am only getting 5K from a rear and 9K from a front 010
so I am seriously considering changing to 020's when they wear out again.

 

I can't answer the question of 020 vs 010, other than I didn't find
020's all that reassuring on my ZRX once they started to wear... and
realised 010's would last about 3000 miles to a rear.

You may want to consider Avon AV45/46ST's they wear like 020's but grip
almost as well as 010's... I've done about 3500 miles on them so far and
the rear is still hardly worn, but just seems to improve in grippyness.

They're great in the wet too.

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Rocket said:

Never had 010s but got a shade under 10,000 miles out of a rear 020 on a
Bandit 6, ask Lozzo ;-)

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Whinging Courier said:

Oh shit! Make that an Avon Azaro 3 then. About 8,000 out of an 020 IIRC.

 

I've currently got 020s, and the last-but-one tyres were 56s (near
enough 010s). I can/could deck the pegs on both. I guess back to back
there'd be a difference, but on the road I don't think the 010s are
worth it - unless, of course, you're a riding god.

 

Ginge wibbled incoherently...

The Ginge speaks the troof. Fucking excellent choice of tyres IMHO.

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ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, KoBV#3.
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Whinging Courier wibbled incoherently...

But it was as bald as ****, and it was an Azaro3 AV45/46 ST combo.

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BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, two#49, MIB#22, TCP#7, BONY#9,
ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, KoBV#3.
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Rocket wrote

Depends dunnit.

Shows poor judgement if you ask me.

Where do you want the grip? Presumably on the bit that has worn out as
that is the one you are using most. So how have the tyres worn?

 

FWIW i changed to the new 020s (020NTs) a few weeks back on the cbr6
after about 4 or so sets of 010s. [2]

New tyres always feel better than old shagged tyres ime, so it's a bit
hard to think back to the new 010s to compare.

The 020s seem to take a longer to warm up, and initially i did not
like them, specifically for that reason. For the first half a mile or
so under heavy braking on uneven surfaces would "ch-ch-chirp" which
just wouldn't happen on the 010s. I'm tempted to drop them a psi or
two to see if that helps them warm up.

Once warm tho they're fine, perhaps they don't quite feel as planted
leant over, but when you go from shagged 010s to new 020s that's not
going to help in the comparison.

Only had one short spell in the wet so i can't say - which was the day
i put them on[1].

So in summary when cold - worse than expected - when warm - pretty
good especially if they last 7K on the rear. (4-5 K on the 010s).

hth.

[2] After putting some Diablos[3] on da Mille and some Pirellis on the
Fiat i decided to try to cut down on the rubber habit.
[1] new tyres = rain.
[3] which are very nice.

 

I had 010s and 020s on my TRX850.

I'm not a quick rider, but could get right to the edge of a rear 010,
and didn't really notice much difference with an 020.

It's also worth trying an 010 front with an 020 rear. Utterly horrible
on a TRX850, but this combination seems to work well on most bikes.

 

Using the patented Mavis Bacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Rocket

<stands up>

I am a ZZR11 rider and I seriously cannot tell the difference between
010s and 020s when riding the bike.

There. I've said it.

<sits down>

 

Nigel Eaton wibbled incoherently...

Your bike is faster when using 010s, mainly because your wallet is lots
lighter.

--
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ZZR1100D, GPZ500S, CBCBCB750RSRSRS
BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, two#49, MIB#22, TCP#7, BONY#9,
ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, KoBV#3.
Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
www.mjkleathers.com

 

Using the patented Mavis Bacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Lozzo

<G>

Ah. That's all right then.

 

DRY:
I've tried all three on me beemer R1100RS. The main difference between them
is mileage and wet weather performance. All of them are fine in the dry, you
can deck away. The 010's are better from go and more stable, but they all
warm up quickly. The 010 rear lasted just over 4000 miles, though it should
have been changed around 3500. The 020 if I remember, could maybe have done
a bit more, but was changed at around 5500 miles. The Avon 46 is still going
at about 9000. I reckon with the 010's you could squeeze two rears to a
front. I was always tempted to try the 010 front and 020 rear combo that
Bridgestone don't recommend but everyone else does. I guess the main reason
I didn't was I didn't want to give anyone an easy cop out if I was involved
in a prang. The rumour is, the AV46 rear has a unusually deep trear tread to
start with (it did look deep), might explain the previous posters comment
about grip improvement with mileage, although I never noticed it changing.

WET:
The wet separates them massively in my book. The 010 still works like glue,
it's amazing how much grip you still have front and rear. The 020 rear is
okay, but the front *always* unnerved me, especially if it was chilly as
well. It also wore a surprising amount, it was not far of the pace of the
rear. I've spoken to others about the front grip of the 020, no-one has
really said the same - so maybe it was a dodgy batch,but the front always
'moved', and always threatened to go places different to me. I have to
admit, I didn't mess about with pressures that much, just set it to book.
The AV45/46, the front is way more confidence inspiring than the 020, but
the back is like it's on marbles. (Mind you, I'd rather the back slid than
the front). In the wet it's easy, even on the BM with it's 18 inch rear, to
spin the rear avon up when pulling out and oomphing it to overtake at around
50/60mph...! I've had the thing moving sideways on a dual carriageway at
70mph [1] whilst *over*[1]taking and aiming for a diminishing gap. That
said, it's predictable, the front is stable, and you get used to it - but
you do have to remember it does it, else you'll be in the hedge. The BM's
throttle smoothness isn't all it could be for controlling slides... the
injection just sorta does nothing then kicks in. But that mileage figure,
dang handy if you do the miles, not sure I'd like to run them through a
Winter though... I have to change soon and I'm trying to decide, 020 and see
if I had a dodgy front, or AV45/46 and know the back will slide, oh yes. The
010's are great and would be handy in the depths of Winter, but they'd cost
me a fortune.

I've done about 20,000 miles through all the seasons over the last year, and
these three tyres were used back to back. (I've just added up my rear
mileages quotes, and yes it doesn't make 20k miles... so I'm obviously fuzzy
somewhere, but that's the gist. The 020's were old style,not the new NT,but
as far as I am aware all the new changes are on the rear, the front is the
same. And if you're wondering about my riding style, the ABS always gets in
the way (it's scary when it lets the brakes off and you're heading for the
back of a truck), and I deck the centre stand, admittedly it's a BM but
still, I have fun.

Hope this helps someone anyhow -


Tim.

[1]Honest...

 

DRY:
I've tried all three on me beemer R1100RS. The main difference between them
is mileage and wet weather performance. All of them are fine in the dry, you
can deck away. The 010's are better from go and more stable, but they all
warm up quickly. The 010 rear lasted just over 4000 miles, though it should
have been changed around 3500. The 020 if I remember, could maybe have done
a bit more, but was changed at around 5500 miles. The Avon 46 is still going
at about 9000. I reckon with the 010's you could squeeze two rears to a
front. I was always tempted to try the 010 front and 020 rear combo that
Bridgestone don't recommend but everyone else does. I guess the main reason
I didn't was I didn't want to give anyone an easy cop out if I was involved
in a prang. The rumour is, the AV46 rear has a unusually deep trear tread to
start with (it did look deep), might explain the previous posters comment
about grip improvement with mileage, although I never noticed it changing.

WET:
The wet separates them massively in my book. The 010 still works like glue,
it's amazing how much grip you still have front and rear. The 020 rear is
okay, but the front *always* unnerved me, especially if it was chilly as
well. It also wore a surprising amount, it was not far of the pace of the
rear. I've spoken to others about the front grip of the 020, no-one has
really said the same - so maybe it was a dodgy batch,but the front always
'moved', and always threatened to go places different to me. I have to
admit, I didn't mess about with pressures that much, just set it to book.
The AV45/46, the front is way more confidence inspiring than the 020, but
the back is like it's on marbles. (Mind you, I'd rather the back slid than
the front). In the wet it's easy, even on the BM with it's 18 inch rear, to
spin the rear avon up when pulling out and oomphing it to overtake at around
50/60mph...! I've had the thing moving sideways on a dual carriageway at
70mph [1] whilst *over*[1]taking and aiming for a diminishing gap. That
said, it's predictable, the front is stable, and you get used to it - but
you do have to remember it does it, else you'll be in the hedge. The BM's
throttle smoothness isn't all it could be for controlling slides... the
injection just sorta does nothing then kicks in. But that mileage figure,
dang handy if you do the miles, not sure I'd like to run them through a
Winter though... I have to change soon and I'm trying to decide, 020 and see
if I had a dodgy front, or AV45/46 and know the back will slide, oh yes. The
010's are great and would be handy in the depths of Winter, but they'd cost
me a fortune.

I've done about 20,000 miles through all the seasons over the last year, and
these three tyres were used back to back. (I've just added up my rear
mileages quotes, and yes it doesn't make 20k miles... so I'm obviously fuzzy
somewhere, but that's the gist. The 020's were old style,not the new NT,but
as far as I am aware all the new changes are on the rear, the front is the
same. And if you're wondering about my riding style, the ABS always gets in
the way (it's scary when it lets the brakes off and you're heading for the
back of a truck), and I deck the centre stand, admittedly it's a BM but
still, I have fun.

Hope this helps someone anyhow -


Tim.

[1]Honest...

 

<Puts on IMHO hat>
The 020s have less of a rounded profile than the 010s so I find cornering
takes a bit more of a effort to tip the bike in. This also leads to the
front being worn worryingly close to the edge and the back with zero chicken
strips. Whether or not you judge this to be a good thing is up to you. I
prefer some left when the pegs (and knee usually) go down bu that's just me.

The 010 was a fantastic tyre [1] with more grip than I ever dared use. Even
in damp conditions I was constantly surprised that it didn't lock up or at
least squirm under my ham fisted inputs.
The 020 on the other hand does not inspire the same confidence. I've had
several near lowsides from the back breaking away (admittedly under
aggressive cornering) and a couple of shuffles of the front under heavy
breaking.

That said, I've gone with the 020 as it's winter and I tend to do less
hooning and more commuting so I need a tyre to last more than ~4k which is
down to the canvass on the 010. I'm hoping to get around double that on the
020, which should see me to the end of winter. Then it's going to be back
to 010s.

Pah, wuss.

[1] Now running 020s

 

I've had both on my SV.

020 - roughly 9k miles from front, and similar from the rear IIRC.
010 - roughly 5-6k miles from front, 3-4k from a rear.

I thought the 020s were fine on hot, sunny summer days where the tyres
got nice and hot. They felt good, and inspired confidence. However,
they were OK[1] at all other times. Good longevity, but in the wet I
found the rear would spin up when provoked coming out of roundabouts.
By the end of their life they were going blue at the edges, so I tried
010s after that set.

010s - Great fun, feel good but they seem to be wearing out too fast for
my liking now. My last 3 rears have been 010, lost count of the fronts.
They were good at Cadwell, but they do square off as soon as you show
them a motorway.

I've only gone from 020->010, and I know I got more confidence to go
faster. As to how it feels going back I'm not sure. When I had my 020s
it was partly through a winter which explains the high milage for both
tyres - tiptoeing around on icy roads. You can but try, and if they're
not for you either ride the bike more until you wear them out or sell
them here / ebay as part worns.

[1] i.e. far better than the MEZ4s that the SV came with.

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:

It was hardly bald as ****, there was still evidence of tread on there
;o)

I still think it did close to 9,000 before it got to the wear
indicators, but.

 

again.


Actually I think that's rather good. I reckon on about 4K from my son's
Bandit 6.

 

I thought you said a while back that you were going to stop offering
tyre advice.

--
John

SV650
Black it is
and naked