BRIAN WALKER AND HIS FANTASIES

Mike-

Word of advice - I believe what you say. Withdraw the emotion. State
facts. You'll find that many people know how to interpret "brian".
Your side versus brian's side may actually result in an increase in
business. Don't take anything bill or brian walker says seriously,
ever. Already, what you say explains omissions in brian's version quite
clearly. Sounds like brian was just being brian, and that's no position
to be in when you need a hand, as brian did. Props to you for not
beating him. We all know he can be an ass, mostly based on brian's
autobiographical accounts of being an ass in various other social
situations*.

Don't stress it. If it goes to court, make it known in tx.moto. Texas,
with two (maybe three) exceptions, is good people.

*See brian's own account on tx.moto of an attempt to get along in a
hotel lobby. It's a riot.

 

Lord knows I have dumped on a few Dealers in my day. I get pissed off
just like the next guy when things go sour. And none of those
situations were my fault. <g>

Hell when I was a kid I took my 750 Honda into the shop to get a tune
up and carb sink. I rode it to the shop and had to push it home. The
damn thing was idling near 2500 rpm. The mechanic said everything was
set to spec and the owner said pay the bill or we won't give you your
bike back. I wish I knew then what I know now. The outcome of that
disagreement would have been far different.

If there was an internet then I would have made Brian's whining and
venting look like a compliment to a dear friend.

Like you, I know didly squat about Renegade, but the owner did make an
offer to resolve the situation. Seems to me it was the basis for a
settlement, fair to both parties.


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24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not

 

Took me a little time to print all your posts. Sounds like I might
need them to show to the judge. Thanks for helping my case Brian.
You're obviously a loose cannon

Thanks, Mike

 

Well Bill I don't share your opinion, but recognize you do have your
democratic right to be wrong.


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24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not

 

Thank you. You've simply showed exactly how you react to others when
you're in a business situation and asked to explain an uncomfortable
situation.

It's nice to know you act this way toward others while representing
your business....I just thought it was how you acted with me.

I found my motorcycle on a back patio, dirty and not running. Your
wife asked if I had my trailer. I said "no, why would I need a
trailer?". She asked "how are you going to get it home?". I said "the
same as I got it here, I'm going to ride it". Your mechanic came
running out and said the battery is dead. I asked how the battery got
dead, and your mechanic started explaining how a battery works. What
he didn't say is how a bike on consignment had a battery go down when
you need a motorcycle to start and run when someone walks up to hear
it run.Your mechanic said he'd "jump it off". I said "no, that's okay,
I'll go get my trailer". I left it at that and walked out of your
store. When I got back, I found the motorcycle pushed into your shop
with you, your mechanic and your wife in the shop area. I walked to
the doorway of the shop area and you three became busy trying to get
that motorcycle around me with the bustling going on. I then found my
motorcycle having a side panel hanging off. I asked what happened to
the panel (and still wasn't flipping out). Your mechanic replied he
didn't know anything about it, put the kickstand down just outside the
door and went back inside. I replied to him that he'll know something
about it shortly. I went back into your store and asked you what
happened to the bike and you said "I don't know what your talking
about". I asked you to step outside and look. You went out there and
said the panel was just loose. You then went to banging on it. I told
you that it didn't matter how hard you bang on the panel, the clip was
broke. You then backed up and said "I don't know it wasn't like that
when you brought it in". I still didn't flip at this point and said,
"Mike, the bike didn't have the panel broke when it came in". You
replied "there was a guy the other day who said it was cracked". The
"other day", but the bike was in your care for several months. This is
when I got my "attitude". You said "if that bike leaves here, I'm not
doing shit for you". I tried to give you the panel to repair, and you
copped an "attitude" and started saying "I don't know what's wrong
with it". I kept pointing out where the clip was broke and you said "I
don't know how this works". I asked how long you've been in the
motorcycle business. Your reply to me "how long have you been an
asshole?".

You'll do "shit" for me, you just don't know what the final bill will
be. I asked you to make the situation right while I was there. Instead
of stepping up to make all this right, you chose to play stupid and
then be a dick. I didn't ask you to make it right by saying please.
You tear up my motorcycle and have it in the state it was in, I'm
GOING to get an "attitude". If you don't understand this, go find
another business to be in.

I'll let you know what the final bill on all this comes to. If you
have so much money that you can act this way and let a consigned
motorcycle get into this state, I'll be more than happy to let you put
that money back into this bike and repair what your shop let happen.

Do you remember me telling you that there's too many people around
this state/country who know how I keep my motorcycles and some knew
the condition of this Hurricane before I brought it to you to sell?

And for the record, my phone hasn't rang from anyone concerning this
motorcycle for quite some time. Do you honestly expect anyone to
believe you're giving my phone number to people who are wanting to buy
this motorcycle?

 

You know for what it is worth, my Venture was on consignment at a
Dealer when I bought it a few years back. The battery was dead when I
wanted to seriously check it out. I wasn't too concerned about it.
Long story, short I ended up buying the bike and the dealer provided a
new battery, no charge to either me or the bike's owner, who I have
gotten to know quite well over the past couple of years.

So that's good, but unknown to me at the time, the Dealer had stripped
a few parts off the bike like the saddlebag inserts and the trailer
hitch. Of course, since the previous owner and I have become friends,
he is aware of the missing pieces and has had a chat with the Dealer.

All were happy at the time.

What has this got to do with your problem, well nothin I guess, but I
felt like passing it along anyway.


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24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not

 

SNIP
I mean who really listens to the guy come on!

Indeed as does everyone on the planet. It just seems that he is on lifetime
bender to outdo everyone. I mean come on, I vent my spleen (too often I think)
but Bill puts me to shame in the needless spleen letting category and brian
isn't too far behind.

Sheesh, I killfile them. I only replay to other posters and pertinent bits left
there and these two just keep at it. I don't get it are they that dumb? Hell
even I get a clue!

They need serious anti-psychotic drugs in my opinion.

 

Well now, i don't know any of these people, but Ed actually seems like
one of the more reasonable SOB's on this newsgroup, so i'ld leave him
be. Really, i'ld just walk away from the whole newsgroup thing entirely
if i were you. either that, or just keep repeating the offer you made in
the earlier thread. in one post you gain some credibility, in another,
you lose some. stick to your offer to work things out like gentlemen.
either that, or whoop some ass in the parking lot. Arguing the point on
usenet is a no win proposition for you.

 

That's good. I've got photos of the bike as it was when it left your
shop. I've got photos of it now. I've been keeping notes on the time
I've spent getting the bike back into shape. I've also kept the
receipts it's cost. I'll get the prices on the panel and/or paintwork
and have the paperwork sent to you.

BTW, what am I lying about? The bike wasn't running, it was dirty, it
had the clip on the panel broke. You've admitted that here. What's the
part I'm lying about?

Oh, one more thing, batteries don't go from fully charged and showing
people the bike to dead where the indicator lights don't even come on
over a time of a couple days. Tell everyone why the motorcycle wasn't
out front with the others. You were hired to sell it, and having it
out on the back patio, dirty and not running doesn't meet that
criteria.

Even the dumbest person wouldn't believe that a battery is so
convenient that it goes dead the very day the owner happens to be in
town and drives by to find his motorcycle on the back patio, dirty and
broke. Sure.

Now, feel free to contact Mesquite Police and file those criminal
charges you're now jumping up and down about. It's nice to see a
business owner in this city doesn't mind showing the entire world the
only way he knows how to handle a customer who had their motorcycle
damaged while in their care. I'll show you how to handle a business
owner who damaged my motorcycle while in your care.

As had been pointed out, I *used* to recommend others to your
business. Even though I've had people saying what you turned out to be
about, I still did it. Now I can sure recommend everyone I know who
might ever think about owning a motorcycle to stay away from your
business, and tell them why. Your postings are showing everyone here
what you're all about and is verifying what I've been saying.

I'm sure Mesquite Police will be knocking on my door at any minute
now, by your filing criminal charges against me. I'm sure they'll be
interested to know what information you've been looking up on me and
how that goes into any laws you might've broken for privacy issues.
They might even wonder what you plan to do with information you've
been researching on me. Do you really do publicdata searches on all
your customers in your business' information?

I can see why Ed doesn't want to mention others to you. Have you done
a publicdata search on Ed too? What about Morgan Kane?

 

Why, so you can do a publicdata search on them?

What you still don't realize, no one has threatened you. I told you
this would cost you quite a bit. It's adding up. As to threatening,
you're the only one who's threatened. You're the only one doing
publicdata searches on information you've gathered by someone doing
business with you. You're the only one who's spinning out of control.

I still haven't heard a single offer from you to resolve this. As to
my apologizing to you, you might want to do what I told you to
do....take your motorcycle to a dealer to be sold, give it to him in a
sale condition, then go back and find it in the condition mine was
in....and then see how you feel about it and see if you can say please
and be humble about it.

Where's that offer? While I was loading a no running motorcycle on a
trailer, where was the offer to help load it? While I've been over
here in a driveway scrubbing dirt off this motorcycle, where was your
offer to help? While I've been polishing out the stains in the paint,
where was the offer to help? While I've been looking all over for a
side panel to replace the broken one from your shop, where's the offer
to help? While I'll be more than likely calling painters to paint a
panel to match the bike, where's going to be your offer to help?

The best you've come up with is "if he comes into my shop and
apologizes"?

Not much of an offer....

 

Do me a favor, Morgan! Point out this offer Mike's made. I can't seem
to find it. Everyone keeps talking about it, but I don't see it.

 

Thanks, but that's not the only issue here. The bike was found sitting
on Mike's back patio, it was filthy nasty dirty. The bike had the side
panel broke on it and was hanging off the back. AND there's the issue
of the battery being dead. The bike wasn't given to Mike in that state
and I didn't appreciate my motorcycle being treated in such a way as
that.

As far as I'm concerned, and most would agree, the condition of the
motorcycle was not in a "for sale" condition. This bike reminded me of
picking up a bike from a salvage yard. Having to use a trailer to get
it home, this probably aided this view. Looking at the dirty condition
and parts broken and removed to get it home helped too.

For the record, and before everyone gets carried away at all this
"offer to make it right", it wasn't my idea to trailer this bike. It
was Mike's wife that suggested I'd need to go get a trailer. I was
prepared to ride the motorcycle and had my gear with me to do just
that. Since Renegade is just right around the corner, it took WAY more
time to go home, get the trailer, go back and load the motorcycle on
it than it would've been to just get on the motorcycle and ride it
home.

Now, what Mike isn't explaining is what set me off to get an
"attitude". It would seem if I was going to have an "attitude" and all
I would've had the trailer with me when I showed up. Instead, I made
two trips to Mike's shop.

Mike has done all this talking it up in a newsgroup about me
personally, he's admitted the bike had a dead battery, admitted the
bike was dirty, admitted the side panel was broke....yet all he can
scream about is personal attacks to me. If I'm lying at having
"fantasies" like he's claiming, why can't he dispute any of these
things? I said it straight and he knows it. Did I get pissed off,
yep....I sure did. Anyone who owns a motorcycle would too. Did I raise
my voice, yep.....I sure did. Did I threaten Mike? Nope. Mike was the
one who did the threatening.

I for one certainly hope nothing happens to me, my property or
anything around me. I'd hate to have Mike accused of wrong-doing
because he went through his business' information that he keeps on his
customers and did a publicdata search on me....and who knows who else.

 

No Mike, I didn't call you an idiot or an asshole. It didn't happen. I
*did* ask you how long you've been in the motorcycle business after
you kept looking at that side panel sitting on your counter as if I'd
layed a rattlesnake up there. You kept acting as if you didn't want
anything to do with it and kept saying you didn't see a problem with
the panel and didn't see how it connected to the bike. It was pissing
me off how you kept not wanting anything to do with it. Your reply to
my question "how long have you been in the motorcycle business?" was
to sling that side panel back across the counter and say "how long
have you been an asshole?". I'll answer it again, "alot longer than
you've obviously been in the motorcycle business".

That being said, it still didn't stop me from trying to get you to fix
this. After you DID call me an asshole and sling that panel back at
me, I even asked you to go outside so I could show you AGAIN for the
THIRD TIME how that panel worked, mounted to the bike and was broke.
Even after we got out there and I showed you AGAIN and offered AGAIN
to give you the panel, you still refused it and I had to put the panel
in my Jeep to get it home.

Tell everyone again how "helpful" you were and how you were being
civil.

 

That's no lie! I didn't go NEAR as wild as I've seen others do at
other dealerships for alot less than what Mike and his shop did.

The quality of Renegade is reflective to what condition my motorcycle
was given back to me in, and them thinking that's "normal" and "good
condition".

I hope many in this newsgroup *do* pay attention.

 

Whew.. so much for all those offers to resolve the issues and "I'm not
gonna be a party to all this".. huh, Mike ?

Here's a thought for you.. You aren't the first shoddy dealer that's been
exposed on usenet, and you won't be the last.. You aren't the first slip
shod asshole that's tried to go after the customer that exposes him..

Brian doesn't have to take you to court to deal with a dealership that
is screwing customers .. all he has to do is expose you to the public..
That's what is going on here.. A couple of characters from a long ways
off, that have jumped into this mess, are not any kind of asset for you..

There's a lot of people on this newsgroup who've riden a lot of miles
with Brian.. Some of them have been in your shop on his recommend-
ation.. I'm one of them.. A few of the riders in the metroplex have caut-
ioned about doing business with you.. That's one of the reasons you've
never gotten any of the recent work on my motorcycle..

Rather than all this posting on a newsgroup, you'd be best served by
making an effort to resolve this issue with the customer .. lol.. That
court over there in Mesquite doesn't take kindly to the operation of
this kind of business and that old judge isn't anyone to play usenet
games with.. I know him.. hmmm.. pretty well, too..

Brians' recourse.. is to take his motorcycle to a legitimate dealer for
those necessary repairs.. send you a bill and let the JP court in Mes-
quite sort it out.. Otherwise, he can continue to expose your shoddy
business.. and let the public make it's choice of whether to do bus-
iness with you.. Either way.. it's not going to be good .. He's still got
a motorcycle to be repaired and your own financial losses due to
all this, can't be estimated..

Bill Walker

 

Hell, Keith, if everyone on tx.moto (and/or reeky and/or AMS) who
needed them started taking anti-psychotic drugs, wtf would any of us
have to talk about, anyway?

 

Bill, I am sure you know the judge VERY WELL if you know what I mean.
However, I won't have to see a judge. My insurance agency retains a
lawyer to defend against jerks like you and your son. I have, however
after sleeping on it decided to rise above your tactics and your sons
idiocy. I am going to offer (see post above) to purchase the bike from
Brian, assuming he has a clear title and the proper paperwork. Rest
assured, I'm not making this offer for any fear of legal reprisal. I
have insurance. I have decided to rid myself of you and your Nutso Son
and put this issue to rest.

 

I'd sure put it to rest, if I were you.. hmmm.. You might not have noticed,
but I'm not in Blackwells' jurisdiction.. LOL.. Be that as it may, your two
bit
insults directed at me and Brian indicates that your being exposed as a
shoddy motorcycle, hack dealer isn't a lot of fun for anyone.. especially
the one being exposed.. Brian isn't the only customer who has had bad
dealings in your business.. The complaints about Renegade Motorcycles
are plentiful enough.. Public database, y'know ?

You and I both know why you are making the offer to do the right thing
after screwing up the man's motorcycle.. Even while making the so called
offer.. you are leaving yourself caveats and ways to weasel.. all the time
you are slinging insults to me and to Brian.. The question of clear titles
and such .. should have been resolved before you took that motorcycle
on consignment.. otherwise.. you might have been a party to peddling
stolen or liened merchandise.. That brings into question.. those other
salvage type motorcycle you've got in front of your business.. hmmm.
Mesquite police dept. might be interested in running title checks on
everything out there, you s'pose ?

You surely don't have to "rid yourself" of me, dude.. I haven't got a
damned thing invested in your two bit operation over there and there's
very little chance that those idiots working for you will ever put a wrench
on my motorcycles.. When it takes three of you nitwits to try and figure
out how to remove a clutch case cover to rebuild clutches on a basic
V-Twin.. that's evidence enough to me, that you aren't qualified..

Yeah.. I'd be getting that motorcycle paid for, as quickly as possible
and then say no more about it.. You and your people fucked it up, Mike..
Take care of it..

Bill Walker
Irving

 

Bill, please kindly go **** yourself.

 

My phone has been ringing off the wall with people informing me of how
you and Brian go looking for trouble. I've got your number. You might
be surprised at the number of people who called and told me how you
and Brian try to make a living screwing people. I am
amazed..............