Braking Was : Best way to travel 5 miles to a train station?

Um... you might want to look at that again.

They're more likely to die from the RESULTS of an accident. That does not
mean they are more likely to be IN an accident.

 

Hmm. In "as new" condition, or "as crap as they got after a couple of
years neglect"? Are we looking at the original 1200cc model with
drums all round or the later 1500 with discs at the front - or even
the LE GT500 which had scoops to feed the discs with air but
unfortunately also drowned them in water when it rained ... ?

We need some parameters here, I think.

 

Non-motorised two wheelers have about 1/5 of the death rate per mile of
motorised two-wheelers, IIRC.

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Lozzo's claim was a little rash, but maybe when we said "a MkI Cortina" he
had a specific one in mind

ITYF the likelihood of all of us dying approaches 100% if you look over a
long enough timescale. Or are you suggesting that driving a car makes you
immortal?


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Well, at least it wasn't an ice cream /van/, as that might have presented a
real danger.

 

IME using engine braking in a car to bring it to a halt in the
shortest possible distance is complete bollocks. Engine braking wrt
petrol cars is not efficient when bringing speed down in a hurry -
that's what brakes are for.

Would anyone seriously suggest that in an emergency stop scenario, as
well as trying to avoid the collision that is imminent, that the
driver should be engaged with rowing down the gearbox, pumping the
clutch up and down, steering and braking all at the same time?
I think not.

Surely the driver should be looking for an escape route whilst braking
(cadence, pumping or calculatedly pressing, take your pick) as hard as
possible while retaining steering capability with the left foot
holding the clutch on the floor obviating the engine urging the car
forward. ABS or no, that's what I'd be doing.

Get the left foot (and obviously the clutch pedal beneath it) on the
floor and out of the equation, thus bracing the rest of the body
against the seat in the optimum position to be able to avoid the
collision with steering input while applying maximum controlled
pressure on the brakes works for me.

 

Plus tightening the sphincter an extra three notches and seeing how wide
your eyes can go.

 

I wonder if the police coned the road off afterwards?

 

That way lies Madness ...




beep beep

 

The Highway code distances were out of date even in the 1960s.
I took their figures and added about 25% to the performance.
Even on the official figures, the claim is impossible.

 

An example of my state of mind that demonstrates why I should _not_ be
driving today.

It's worse actually, I'm currently playing with three-phase mains.

Jon

 

Surely that way lies immortality?

 

I was taught to do it by the latter method. This would have been just
over ten years ago.

My instructors attitude was:

"Get it right on the test and don't stall. In the real world, if you
stall, who gives a ****? You've stopped and that's the important
thing."

 

If you're braking at the limit on a bike it makes little difference
whether the clutch is in or out. Braking hard raises the rear wheel
so sometimes it's not even in contact with the ground. Engine braking
through it, therefore, has little affect. Same goes for using the
rear brake.

 

http://www.fmq.qc.ca/pdf/amorce-freinage_eng.pdf

Says that there's (some) useful work to be done by the back brake and
shows quicker stopping with the clutch disengaged.

Obviously I realise that at the limit you're doing a stoppie so it
doesn't really matter, but I guess no one brakes quite at the limit.

A

 

So they die more - but does that mean they have more accidents?

 

<sings>
Ye canna change the laws o' physics, laws o' physics, laws o' physics,
Ye canna change the laws o' physics, laws o' physics, Jim

It's worse than that, he's dead Jim, dead Jim, dead Jim,
It's worse than that, he's dead Jim, dead Jim, dead!

Scotty: Ye canna change the script, Jim!
McCoy: It's worse than that, it's physics, Jim!
Kirk: Bridge to engine room, warp factor nine!
Scotty: Ach! If I give 'er any more she'll blow, Captain!
</sings>

I had never before appreciated that this ditty applied to motorcycling,
but I see now that it does. There's Klingon's on the, errm, starboard
bow.

Ah! _That's_ how it escaped, is it?

 

Are you taking the pistachio?

 

When I took my test 5 years ago I was taught to use engine breaking.

 

No, you're a wanker that dramitcally breaks the law and endangers many
people (Unless you are talking about a push bike and putting it on a
Eurostar or Plane)