Brain Ache: Quantum computer works best switched off

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    TMack Guest

    But that's impossible, the arrows would never get to the
    tortoises...............................
     
    TMack, Feb 24, 2006
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    The notion of the computer being off and on at the same time reminds me of
    the quantum version of Young's double slit experiment (ooer missus!), which
    demonstrates that something can be in two different places at the same time.
    Full details halfway down the page here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment.
    Quote: " Under the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum theory, an
    individual photon is seen as passing through both slits at once, and
    interfering with itself"

    I just love the things that demonstrate that the the universe is more
    complicated than we are capable of understanding.
     
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    We're just looking at it from the wrong point of view. It's like an
    either-or question where the answer is yes. Find the right question
    you should be asking and it all makes sense again.
     
    Christofire, Feb 24, 2006
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    raden Guest

    He's probably not the only on either
     
    raden, Feb 24, 2006
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  10. Quite.

    Light can be considered either as a stream of particles or as an energy wave.

    Q: Shall we discount the 'particles' hypothesis now?
     
    Rusty Hinge 2, Feb 24, 2006
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    TMack Guest

    But that presupposes that that we have the capacity to make sense of
    phenomena such as single particles that can be in two different places
    sumultaneously. Unless of course you are referring to a different kind of
    questions - such as DIGAF?
     
    TMack, Feb 25, 2006
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    TMack Guest

    Q. How can a single photon separately exist in two or more different places
    simultaneously?
    Q. Why does detecting a photon at one slit cause it to no longer be
    detectable at the other when, undetected, it will pass through both
    simultaneously?
    Q. How does a single photon "know" that it needs to land in a "bright"
    diffraction area after passing through two slits when it will land randomly
    if one slit is closed?

    Questions such as these may have answers but are we actually capable of
    really "understanding" them? I suppose the key word is here
    "understanding". Knowing how to manipulate something is not the same as
    knowing how and why it works. Sooner or later scientific investigation ends
    up in the realms of philosophy, religion or magic i.e. beyond rationality,
    beyond "understanding. To deny that proposition that the universe is
    ultimately beyond understanding would be to deny that that you exist - it is
    axiomatic that no system can contain all the available information about
    itself so it is axiomatic that nothing in the universe can contain all the
    information about the universe i.e. some things will always be unknowable.
     
    TMack, Feb 25, 2006
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  13. Nah, he's just simplified the concept to the point where it has
    infinitesimal data content. ...so he probably doesn't have a clue what's
    going on...

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Feb 25, 2006
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  14. The message <>
    Well, I can understand the questions...
     
    Rusty Hinge 2, Feb 26, 2006
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    TMack Guest

    Well exactly - which means that you can't say for certain that it isn't a
    particle in two places - how do you know unless you measure? Something
    certainly appears to pass through both slits simultaneously. And why does
    detecting it at one slit prevent it accessing the other slit? How does it
    know it is being measured? If the act of measuring changes it so that it
    can no longer access the second slit, then the decision to measure must be
    the determinant of its nature - it is not what we think its is, it is what
    we intend it to be! That would appear to indicate that, in this particular
    case, "reality" is being created by decisions made in people's minds. This
    would tend to suggest that ultimately there is no objective reality that
    exists independent of minds to perceive and, perhaps, create it.
    Exactly - in this case it would appear that "reality" is being created by
    the decision. And unlike Schrodinger's hypothetical cat, we have a
    "real"-life example.
     
    TMack, Feb 26, 2006
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    I do hope you didn't *MEAN* 'in this particular case'...
     
    Rusty Hinge 2, Feb 26, 2006
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