"Born Again" - is the MCN (UK) angling for a footnote in the OED?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by FCS, Aug 26, 2008.

  1. FCS

    FCS Guest

    The term "born again bikers" has been around a while
    now, and to my mind its usage - informally, verbally, if
    not in print in registered media - really marks the point
    at which mainstream routes into motorcycling stopped
    being the preserve of the working class, skilled-trades
    and blue-collar "grease monkeys" and opened up into
    the stratosphere of executive boys' performance toys.

    I also though the credibility and resonance the phrase
    carries was allied to the proselytising influence of the
    satellite broadcasters--beit Jimmy Swaggart, Jim
    Bakker, Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham or street theatre
    and charismatic healing and gospel services the hysterical
    mass enthusiasm demonstrated by the theologically
    naive, the way they become refocused, learn new words
    and phrases, philosophical frameworks, ethics, manners,
    mores and so forth, even the way a discernible chunk
    of their earnings is now spoken for at source...all bore
    the hallmark of the new convert.

    Yet the MCN seem to use it to mean people who used
    to ride bikes then gave them up and then took back up
    with it all again.

    But they made some major revisions to their format in
    the late nineties, kept a steady editorial and production
    team together for quite some time, then started with an
    approach to recruitment and selection akin to being
    pulled out of the hat in an old-style media write-in comp.

    They've certainly had a few difference faces at the helm
    this decade.

    So is it possible we have a St Peter at the gate to the
    garden of two-wheeled delights who not only looks at
    good and bad biking deeds (Running up the motorway
    to fill a jerrycan for the campervan run out of fuel vs
    that video of doing 185 through rural Kent as posted
    to YouTube) but also is an icompetent traitor to the
    cultural factors preserved in the aspic amber of biking
    lore?

    Well, I thought I'd better look to the hoary old OED, in
    its 10th edn from 2001, for some guidance and here's
    what I found:

    born-again * adj. 1. relating to or denoting a person who
    has converted to a personal faith in Jesus Christ 2. newly
    converted to and very enthusiastic about (an idea, cause,
    etc.).

    Which suggests that not only is the original defintion of
    the term absolutely correct - authoritatively - and, being
    taken to mean what I thought it to mean in the first place,
    such that the dichotomy of "Born Again" and "Convert", in
    relation to motorcycles, has no meaning, there is no real
    alternative but to give the MCN the benefit of the doubt
    that it is actively seeking to be "helpful" in achieving the
    OUP lexicographers' next milestone of 1 000 000 million
    words yet seek also to tactfully point out that dictionaries
    haven't started being compiled since they collected six
    coupons, wrote up a short piece called "What I did on my
    Trackday instead because it was raining" , and sent it in
    and that the OED had its finger on the pulse when it
    drafted the word in from the two-wheeled circles in the
    first place.

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    FCS, Aug 26, 2008
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    Kevin Stone Guest

    The term "born again bikers" has been around a while
    This was my understanding of its usage.
     
    Kevin Stone, Aug 26, 2008
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    AndrewR Guest

    What is the value of this, given that you seem incapable of writing
    anything that is worth reading let alone copying?

    I suggest that you drop it and let the sheer boredom generated by your
    prose protect you from the plagarists.
     
    AndrewR, Aug 26, 2008
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  4. The source is St. John's Gospel, 3,3, "Jesus answered and
    said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be
    born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

    The practical point is found in the pathology of religion
    when one sect claims special privileges on the basis
    that it alone is authentic and others professing the same
    religion are inauthentic and thus disqualified. The word
    "Reform" was the main badge of difference between
    Christian sects in the 15th-19th centuries, and is
    unambiguously claimed in the name of most Protestant
    churches. When Protestants disagreed among themselves
    (cf. Anabaptists, Wesleyanism (Methodism) and 19th century
    evangelicals) they commonly cited: "Except a man be born
    again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" in order to claim that
    their particular sect was authentic and all the others
    heretical or misguided (as in Edmund Gosse's autobiography
    on Plymouth Brethren in Victorian England.)

    American evangelical or revivalist preachers have for more
    than a century invoked "born again" as a necessary religious
    process only they can confer, and other denominations
    cannot. Its application to other styles of life or hobbies (e.g.
    motorcycles) is metaphorical.
     
    Don Phillipson, Aug 26, 2008
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  5. FCS

    AndrewR Guest

    Yes, yes, but MCN's problem is that, when applied to bikers, the gap
    between being "born again" and seeing the kingdom of god is often
    lamentably short.
     
    AndrewR, Aug 26, 2008
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    Lady Nina Guest

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT), FCS

    <snip dreadful prose style>

    Did no one teach you to edit? There was an interesting (to me and
    possibly Phil) point about the usage of 'born again' in amongst that
    lot.
    Are you aware of why that particular phrase is used?
     
    Lady Nina, Aug 26, 2008
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  7. FCS

    Lady Nina Guest

    Oh that's right go and give him the answer to the question I just
    posed.

    I wanted to see if he actually knew anything, it was difficult to pick
    out in his writing.

    Oh and do you want to come and sit with Phil, AndrewR and myself in
    the biblical nit picking corner?
     
    Lady Nina, Aug 26, 2008
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  8. FCS

    Lady Nina Guest

    I've only just spotted the xpost, now I have to work out if I can be
    bothered finding the group that knew the answer.
     
    Lady Nina, Aug 26, 2008
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    Catman Guest

    At this rate I may have to hand back my TEAR#

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    Catman, Aug 26, 2008
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    osvif Guest

    Oi fuckwit. Haven't you worked out that it is ok to have more than one
    sentence per paragraph? Bloody troll.
     
    osvif, Aug 26, 2008
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  11. AR snipped from the post: "Its application to other styles of life or
    hobbies (e.g. motorcycles) is metaphorical" -- so we do not know
    whether he understands "metaphorical" in some non-standard way
    or simply disagrees.
     
    Don Phillipson, Aug 26, 2008
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  12. That's blog material - why not create one?
    --
    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    "It's a moron working with power tools.
    How much more suspenseful can you get?"
    - House
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Aug 27, 2008
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  13. At this moment I've got more crap on my plate than I can deal with
    (dying cat, screw-ups at work while I've been on hols, my first bad
    headache for 2 weeks..) so I'll pass..

    Plus 2100 UKRM articles to igno^Wread.

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Sep 4, 2008
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