Bored with 2-stroke and 4-stroke? Consider 1-stroke or 6-stroke engines....

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TMack, Jun 3, 2005.

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    TMack Guest

    TMack, Jun 3, 2005
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    Ace Guest

    No, that's a 2-stroke.
    And that's a 4-stroke

    You don't really understand this 'strke' concept, do you?

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    Ace, Jun 3, 2005
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    Muck Guest

    Muck, Jun 3, 2005
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    TMack Guest

    The Bourke engine has one con rod (two pistons) and fires on both the "up"
    stroke and the "down" stroke so it can be described as a "one stroke". It
    all depends on how you wish to define the terms.

    God knows about the other thing but it is described as a "six stroke" and it
    certainly isn't like any other four-stroke engine.

    Tony
     
    TMack, Jun 3, 2005
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    Muck Guest

    Just uses a combination of disk, piston and rotary valves instead of the
    usual poppet valve setup. One good thing about that setup, is the power
    recovery from the piston valve, although I'm sure that things could be
    done better with two piston valves instead of one, and no disk or reed.
     
    Muck, Jun 3, 2005
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    Ace Guest

    Oh no it can't. The 'stroke' refers to the movement of the piston wrt
    the cylinder, so each piston has the normal two strokes, so it's a
    2-stroke.
    Well of course, if you're going to invent your own language you could
    call it whatever you like.
    It's just a 4 stroke using some ideas about getting gases in and out
    which are more common on 2-strokes, hence the jocular use of
    2+4=6-stroke. But again, the piston goes through four 'strokes' of the
    piston per firing, so there's no doubt that it's a 4-stroke.

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    Ace, Jun 3, 2005
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    Muck Guest

    An engine with one piston, but a combustion chamber each side of the
    piston would be a one stroke engine?
    But a turbine is not pulsed combustion, it's continuous combustion, and
    can't really be spoken about in the same way as pulsed combustion
    engines surely?

    There was a Formula1 turbo engine that used a hybrd system of pulsed and
    continuous combustion, but that doesn't really count. :)
     
    Muck, Jun 3, 2005
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    No, it's a twin cylinder two-stroke. Otherwise, using your definition,
    2-stroke four would be a half-stroke.
    No, you get one power stroke per two turns of the (main) crankshaft -
    in other words, a four-stroke.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 3, 2005
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    I's agree, it's a Brayton cycle engine, not Otto cycle.
     
    Pip Luscher, Jun 3, 2005
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  10. TMack

    TMack Guest

    Says who, where and with what authority? My guess is that it is custom and
    practice rather than a precisely defined term. The stroke could be defined
    as the movement of the con rod. Alternatively, one could consider the
    entire double-ended assembly as the "piston" in which case it clearly is a
    "one stroke". Anyhow, it certainly isn't a "two stroke" in any conventional
    sense of the term as the piston/con rod unit is powered on every single
    movement.
    Its all about agreeing the terms used. If you can demonstrate that there is
    only one, single universally accepted definition of the "stroke" of an
    engine and it corresponds with yours then you would have a point. However,
    as the engine in question is described by some as a "one stroke" or "single
    stroke" see
    http://bourke-engine.com/aboutrus.htm
    http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/books/290003.htm
    I think you may be in difficulties.

    Tony
     
    TMack, Jun 3, 2005
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    Muck Guest

    I like motor cycle engines. ;o))
     
    Muck, Jun 3, 2005
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  12. Ding! Or the nearest possible thing to it. In fact, each side of the
    piston would be going through the 2T cycle. Problem is, how on earth to
    extract useable power from such a device without horrendous sealing
    problems.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 3, 2005
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  13. What a load of old cobblers. Bourk himself deserved better, I must say,
    but to describe his engine as one-stroke is to do him a dis-service.
    It's an opposed-piston two-stroke, with one unique feature; that of the
    weird and wonderful crankshaft. The detail of the piston porting and
    transfer were probably innovative at the time, but I'd imagine would
    have been quite problematical in service.

    As for the so-called 6-stroke - it's a 4 stroke engine with a small
    opposed piston acting as a piston ported valve, that's all.

    There's nothing new under the sun, it's all been done before and in the
    field of automotive engines, usually by Ricardo or somebody of that day.
    If materials in the 20s were as good as they are now, the engine
    development that could have happened 80 years ago would have been
    phenomenal.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jun 3, 2005
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    Muck Guest

    After having had a little think about it, there may be a couple of ways
    of building something like it, using inductive coupling.
     
    Muck, Jun 3, 2005
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    Muck Guest

    Dunno, there doesn't seem to be much usefull test data there.
     
    Muck, Jun 3, 2005
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    platypus Guest

    TOG-pattern BMW engine.
     
    platypus, Jun 3, 2005
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    platypus Guest

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    Muck Guest

    It also sucks and blows at the same time.
     
    Muck, Jun 4, 2005
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    platypus Guest

    Bits of it swivel, too.
     
    platypus, Jun 5, 2005
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