[QUOTE="JL"] Hey ? I thought you were trying to convince me it was setup for dirt - you put softer springs and longer travel suspension on something to do that, because a dirt road is rougher and more undulating - ie you hop on a dirt bike and it will sag FURTHER than a road bike, not less. Springs that are too stiff will make for really crap handling on a dirt road (but may improve handling on the tar if the softer setup is causing wallowing) So on the basis of the above, the bonnie is actually a better dirt bike than the thruxton.... <pause> weren't we comparing the bonnie and the scrambler ? I would indeed expect exactly what you described as the difference between the bonnie and thruxton, given the thruxton is the "sporty" version of the bonnie. JL[/QUOTE] I've ridden both the Bonnie and the Scrambler. The suspension on the bonnie is way to soft for dirt road with potholes etc. and it bottoms out at very moderate speeds. The Scrambler rides like a dray but doesn't bottom out so as long as one is happy to bounce across the tops of the bumps and keep the speed up it'll actually go quite quickly on dirt. G-S