BMW R100RT choke frozen

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Stumpy, Oct 24, 2006.

  1. Stumpy

    Stumpy Guest

    I have only been able to fire up the bike a couple of times in the last 4
    months. Both times the right choke actuator was frozen open. I sprayed the
    exterior with WD-40, which did nothing, and then forced it to move with way
    too much effort with my bare fingers. The second time I had to vibrate it a
    bit with a rubber mallet. I know it should be ridden weekly, but that is
    unlikely.

    What can I do to prevent the sticky choke? If I'm not careful I'll break
    the cable to the right side or both.
     
    Stumpy, Oct 24, 2006
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  2. Stumpy

    Leon Guest

    Lubricate the cable?

    Leon
     
    Leon, Oct 24, 2006
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  3. Sounds like you may have a frayed cable. When it gets sticky,
    is it still sticky after you disconnect the cable from the carb ?
    Most likely you've got broken strands of cable snagging on
    the plastic liner of the cable housing.

    The cable's really the only place I can imagine getting that
    much mechanical resistance unless you've got something
    really evil in your gasoline that might be reacting with
    the aluminum. Just for laughs, you could also drain the tank
    completely dry then refill with new gasoline.

    You can buy carb rebuild kits starting from about $30.00.
    That would get you a set of O rings and gaskets. If
    it's really that stuck with the cable disconnected it'd
    need to be carefully opened up to see what's going on.
    Buy a new set of return springs while you're at it.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 24, 2006
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  4. Stumpy

    Stumpy Guest

    I don't think it's the cable, because after it is broken free, then it moves
    fairly easily. I'm thinking I need to clean out the inside of the
    carburetor, but don't really want to.

    I'm wondering if I could spray some carb cleaner in the right hand
    carburetor while it's running.
     
    Stumpy, Oct 24, 2006
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  5. Instead of WD40, you might try Kroil, which is a way better lubricant.

    http://www.kanolabs.com/

    If you want a carb cleaner, Berrymans B12 is highly touted
    by (who else) B12, who posts here regularly.

    I'd also make sure you're not getting water in there via
    the gas.

    For a start, why not remove the float bowl and see what's
    in it. Could be water or sludge. Either would be cause for
    dumping and refilling the tank.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 24, 2006
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  6. Stumpy

    Reverb Guest

    I'll see if my local parts shop has B-12, Kroil, or Kreen. Was really
    hoping someone with an R100-RT had some pointers for injecting something
    directly into the carburetor intake hose while the engine is running.
    Sounds more active than adding it to the fuel tank, or spraying the
    exterior.
     
    Reverb, Oct 25, 2006
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  7. Or the lever itself?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 25, 2006
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  8. Stumpy

    John Johnson Guest

    I'll see if my local parts shop has B-12, Kroil, or Kreen. Was really
    hoping someone with an R100-RT had some pointers for injecting something
    directly into the carburetor intake hose while the engine is running.
    Sounds more active than adding it to the fuel tank, or spraying the
    exterior.[/QUOTE]

    For carb cleaners, people around here seem to think highly of the Yamaha
    product, and Seafoam. IIRC, both products are poured into the carburetor
    bowl and left to sit for approx. 30 min. then drained out. It's another
    option, anyway. HTH

    --
    Later,
    John



    'indiana' is a 'nolnn' and 'hoosier' is a 'solkk'. Indiana doesn't solkk.
     
    John Johnson, Oct 25, 2006
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  9. Stumpy

    Stumpy Guest

    Oops! Reverb = Stumpy. I need to sync my home + work computers.
     
    Stumpy, Oct 25, 2006
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  10. If "Kreen" means "Kreme", which is a gas tank liner, you
    ought to use POR-15 instead, but I really don't think you'd
    want to use either tank liner given your level of expertise.

    Kroil is popular with gun owners as well as mechanics. POR-15
    and other magic stuff are readily available via the internet.
    BMW airheads are very similar to each other. I believe you've got
    constant velocity Bing carbs, probably 40 mm. Some models use
    a 32 mm carb.

    Adding something to the tank or spraying the outside of the carb
    is fine, so long as you're careful to do it by the light of a full moon
    and sacrifice the requisite chickens at appropriate points in the
    ceremony.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 26, 2006
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  11. I stand corrected.

    I'd continue to suggest though that anyone at the
    OP's level of expertise should use tank sealers
    with extreme caution. POR-15 and Kreme could
    both be way messy to clean up if the job went badly.

    I also don't think either one would fix a stuck choke.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 26, 2006
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  12. Stumpy

    MadDogR75 Guest


    The 'choke` on your air-head beemer is really a small "auxilliary
    carb" on the
    side of the main Bing carb body.
    It's relatively easy to detatch it. If your problem is not the cable,
    detach the air connections, swing the carb out, and four small screws
    get you access to the little devil. See whats hanging it up.
    Best get a Haynes manual first though.
    MadDog
    "R75/5 Forever!"
     
    MadDogR75, Oct 27, 2006
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  13. This is a picture of the little sucker.

    http://www.xmission.com/~wendell/GS/node34.html

    Some part numbers may be different, as this is likely a 32mm.

    There's a gasket you need to replace if you open it.
    Also some of those carb screws can be a real bear to unscrew
    without damaging their slots. Make sure you have a well fitting
    screwdriver and have the carb body held securely.

    $30 or so would buy you a basic rebuild kit.

    There's also a Bing carb manual available at

    http://www.bingcarburetor.com/

    and they're supposedly willing to answer owner's questions.

    If it's really hanging up and it's not something on the outside
    then my bet is somebody took it apart and put it back together
    wrong.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 27, 2006
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  14. Stumpy

    Stumpy Guest

    My problem is not the cable, it works fine. I went out looking for B-12 or
    equivalent, found inferior products. Bought CRC Clean-R-Carb spray which
    says it can be sprayed into the carb as it is running. The air intake
    connector is plastic, so I'll remove it before spraying the stuff. I can't
    believe these solvents won't eat up gaskets, seals, etc.

    I've got a garage full of toasters, clocks, and old projects that never got
    fixed. Disassembling the unit is a last resort. A man has to know his
    limitations. Should have time Sunday.
     
    Stumpy, Oct 27, 2006
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  15. Kroil is a really good penetrating oil and worth having around
    for all kinds of stuff. If you can find a can, spray the shaft
    and lever too just to make sure they're not binding.

    If it were me, I'd throw away the toasters, clocks and old
    projects then fix the BMW motorcycle. A man's got to get
    his priorities set right.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 27, 2006
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  16. Stumpy

    MadDogR75 Guest

    Stumpy,
    A penetrating oil/ solvent might clear up the problem if it's on the
    outside end ot that rotating part, but that part goes all the way in.
    Look at R.K.s diagram.
    Whatever you do - DON'T FORCE IT.
    Best of luck,
    MadDog
     
    MadDogR75, Oct 28, 2006
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  17. Stumpy

    Stumpy Guest

    Good advise.

    I put ~2oz of Techron fuel system cleaner into ~1gal of gas and fired it up.
    Sprayed the carb cleaner stuff into the carburetor throat as it ran, had to
    rev it a bit to keep it running. There was just normal looking black layer
    of sooty film on all observable surfaces in interior. The spray cleanser
    got it mostly off. I am curious about the little tube that hangs down into
    the air intake connector. It had a drip of wet fuel on the end when I
    opened up the intake. Closed it back up and rode the bike ~1mile to put in
    2 gallons of gas, and then 2 more miles back home to make sure the additive
    was diluted enough while the bike is parked.

    I have come to the realization that my use of the bike fits the description
    of "short term storage" and so have ordered Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer to treat
    the fuel while it sits. Maybe I'll remember to exercise the choke next time
    I'm rummaging around in the garage banging on toasters and clocks. Thanks
    for teaching about the gummy stuff lurking in my fuel.
     
    Stumpy, Oct 30, 2006
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  18. I'm not 100% certain what you're looking at but I think
    you're probably talking about the crankcase vent system.

    There's some very strange plumbing which runs the vent
    tubing past the starter and into the air filter housing where
    it goes to a tee fitting to two plastic tubes, one ending in each
    of the air intake tubes for the carbs. If this is the one you're
    looking at , it'd likely be a drip of oil rather than fuel.

    In later model bikes, there's also a tube which leads
    the fuel tank fumes into the crankcase. This is to meet
    a late air quality regulation and is often found disabled.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Oct 31, 2006
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