In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:56:53 +1000 [QUOTE="Bill_h"] I'm not convinced. It becomes qualitative to argue how big/tall/strong you have to be to manouvre a big trailie in the tight/ offroad/ dirt stuff... And a comparison might be with trial, where being able to get a foot down defeats the purpose, and skill, balance and control is everything.[/QUOTE] I certanly found that manouvering a large heavy bike on creek crossings and rutted muddy roads that the playing I'd done with trials bikes was far more useful than being able to get a foot down. Throttle control and balance was everything, when I tried to paddle it along things got ugly quickly. Zebee