Blue Smoke

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Garnet, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. Garnet

    Garnet Guest

    Hello
    I am new to motorbikes. I have a 79 Honda Goldwing that I bought from a
    friend of mine that passed away a year ago. I don't know much about it and
    have taken it out a few times. I love it.
    Theres a couple of questions I have:
    The Tires look good and was wondering what the depth I should go by for
    replacing the tires?
    I have a little wabble in the front and took the wheel to a Honda dealer
    and he told me there is a slight bow in the rim, but not to worry. Is that
    correct?
    Also when I first start the bike it puts out blue smoke. It disappears when
    I get it warm. It only started this the last few times I took it out. Could
    this be caused by fuel?
    Thank You
     
    Garnet, Jul 13, 2006
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  2. Garnet

    wizecracker Guest

    The tires should have "wear bars", the owners manual should help out, if not
    take it for an assessment from your local dealer.

    The bent rim is something to be concerned about, and how it got that way!
    Did the mechanic say anything about the tires when they looked at the rim?

    Blue smoke when it's cold...sounds like valves, how much blue smoke? If
    it's excessive then you may have to correct it soon, if it's just a few
    puffs then you may not have much to worry about, yet. How much oil does it
    use between oil changes, if this is excessive then you might want to correct
    the problem soon.
     
    wizecracker, Jul 13, 2006
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  3. When bike with a boxer type engine is parked on it's sidestand,
    oil may collect on the low side of the engine and show up as blue
    smoke when the engine's first started.

    If it's running OK, just keep an eye on the oil to make sure it
    doesn't get too low and ask for an opinion on the compression
    and valves when you get a first oil change.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Jul 13, 2006
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  4. For ****'s sake.....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jul 14, 2006
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  5. Garnet

    FB Guest

    A tire may have plenty of tread, but still be old and hard from being
    dried out during storage.

    A fairly new tire is worn out when there is about 1/6th of an inch of
    tread left in the most worn out part of the tire.

    Motorcycle tires don't wear evenly. The front tire wears on the sides
    and it scallops and you see all sorts of weird looking cups and raised
    tread blocks if the owner didn't keep the tire properly inflated or if
    he rode the motorcycle really hard.

    The front air pressure in the manual is for comfort when the motorcycle
    is being ridden straight up, if the rider likes to get "frisky" in the
    corners and see how fast he can go, the front tire doesn't have enough
    air pressure if it's inflated to the manual's recommendations for a
    comfortable ride.

    I'm not saying to use more air pressure than is recommended by the
    manual, that will make the front tire skittery. But weird front tire
    wear is something you will have to learn to accept on your Old Wing.

    It will cause the "wabble" you described.
    You can check the "bow" for yourself. Put yuor Old Wing on the
    centerstand and push it away from you so the near foot of the
    centerstand comes off the pavement.

    Then push a piece of 2 X 4 under that foot and let the centerstand sit
    on it.

    Your rear tire will sit on the pavement and your front tire should be
    off the pavement.

    Tape an ordinary lead pencil to the fork leg. Turn the wheel so you
    find a place where the pencil lead touches the wheel rim. Turn the
    wheel until you find the place where the pencil lead is furthest from
    the wheel rim. This distance should be no more than
    0.08 inches ( 80/1000ths of an inch). If the "bow" is more than that,
    get a straight rim.

    If your rim is straight enough (less than 0.08 bow), the tire may be
    scalloped and cupped. Replacing the tire with a new one will get rid of
    the "wabble" for a time, but, as the tire ages over about six months,
    it will scallop and cup again, and you may find you need a new tire
    before the old one has even 10,000 miles on it.
    Old Wings did that, especially the first year model that came out in
    1975 or 1976. Oil leaked past the valve guide oil seals and the Old
    Wing would smoke for a few minutes when it was started.
    Not directly by the octane of the fuel, no. But, if your carburetor
    floats leaked gasoline, you might find that the oil level in your
    crankcase was rising and the oil level under the valve covers would
    rise and you might get start up smoke for that reason.

    But the Old Wings had a mechanical fuel pump, you wouldn't experience
    the kind of crankcase flooding with gasoline that you get from gravity
    feed systems when the float valves stick.

    I recommend smelling your oil though. If it smells like gasoline,
    you're getting diluted oil and that's not good for the engine.
     
    FB, Jul 14, 2006
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