[QUOTE="Champ"] I''m not sure that someone whose first thought when faced with, er, shall we say 'erratic female behaviour' is "I know, I'll phone Bear" is in any position to give advice.[/QUOTE] I only had one hand free, it had to be a redial, they had to be close, they had to have a brain, a certain way with words, to be constructive and they had to have considerable experience of overexcited women. Only one man in the world is ever going to fill those boots :o)