Bike/Car Drags - why do you bother?

Johnno · Nov 18, 2003

Manning said:

Why do cage drivers persist in trying to drag off bikes at traffic
lights?
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Not sure. It's complete common sense that there's little point in doing
that.

Motorcyclists habitually like to get away from the lights very quickly
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Yes, under the mistaken belief that they're more privileged.

mainly because we like the safety of having empty space around us
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Don't we all?

(you cage drivers being the inattentive, random-lane-changing lot
that you are).
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Best not to forget about the pushy crotch rocketeers who duck and weave all
over the place too.

We usually drop back to a semi-legal speed once we are in open
territory.
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Semi-legal speed?

J.

Johnno · Nov 18, 2003

Manning said:

From a standing start however, bikes have a clear power/weight
advantage, and so the question was - what motivates *some* car
drivers to constantly try to engage us in drag battles?
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Stupidity, ego or ignorance... or any combination thereof.

J.

Mike.S · Nov 18, 2003

degree's of idiocy, other's

I am fair dinkum gonna spank you!
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Habitual offender

Mike.S

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

paulh said:

Oh yeah, sure... like R1s and GSXRThous often do this.. righhhhtttttttttttttt...

paulh
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Nah it was a motorbike.

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Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

Manning said:

Hi - we've been having a discussion over at aus.motorcycles and we thought
it was time to invite the other side into the discussion.

Why do cage drivers persist in trying to drag off bikes at traffic lights?
This is given that there are very few cars on the market that can
out-accelerate a 250cc Baby Blade, let alone a litre-class superbike. The
number of WRX's and hotted-up V8's that we see revving at the lights and
looking at us in anticipation of a contest is quite astonishing.

To the 2-wheeled community, a bike taking on a car is about the same effort
as a car taking on a bicycle - the outcome is so inevitable it's hardly
worth proving over and over. But we find ourselves being continually
challenged, and so we keep going through the motions.

So why do you persist? Is there a genuine belief that you stand a chance,
even when a brief consideration of the simple physics of power/weight ratios
indicates there isn't one?

Motorcyclists habitually like to get away from the lights very quickly,
mainly because we like the safety of having empty space around us (you cage
drivers being the inattentive, random-lane-changing lot that you are). We
usually drop back to a semi-legal speed once we are in open territory. Is it
possible that some of you misinterpret this as a desire to drag-race?

Anyway, your thoughts.

Regards
Manning from aus.motorcycles
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Also why did some clown on a trail bike insist on racing my 4cylinder
Landrover up 10 miles of soft sand beach, I wonder if his chain survived the
distance, I left him for dead after the first mile.

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Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

John Littler · Nov 18, 2003

Damien said:

You mean an Econovan CAN'T pop a mono? Bullshit, we don't believe you, we've
seen the photos.

Damien (you just aren't trying hard enough)
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I know of a number of cages that can get their front end off the ground
(strictly speaking it's not a mono though - it'd be duo wouldn't it ?)

JL

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

Manning said:

Hi - we've been having a discussion over at aus.motorcycles and we thought
it was time to invite the other side into the discussion.

Why do cage drivers persist in trying to drag off bikes at traffic lights?
This is given that there are very few cars on the market that can
out-accelerate a 250cc Baby Blade, let alone a litre-class superbike. The
number of WRX's and hotted-up V8's that we see revving at the lights and
looking at us in anticipation of a contest is quite astonishing.
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Why do they race other cars, workvans?

To the 2-wheeled community, a bike taking on a car is about the same effort
as a car taking on a bicycle - the outcome is so inevitable it's hardly
worth proving over and over. But we find ourselves being continually
challenged, and so we keep going through the motions.
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You don't have to.

So why do you persist? Is there a genuine belief that you stand a chance,
even when a brief consideration of the simple physics of power/weight ratios
indicates there isn't one?
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Is fear of falling over the reason so many motorcyclists try not to stop
moving for too long?

Motorcyclists habitually like to get away from the lights very quickly,
mainly because we like the safety of having empty space around us (you cage
drivers being the inattentive, random-lane-changing lot that you are). We
usually drop back to a semi-legal speed once we are in open territory. Is it
possible that some of you misinterpret this as a desire to drag-race?
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Why do M/C's have to get away from the lights quickly but cars shouldn't,
maybe they're not racing you at all just in a hurry too.

Nev.. · Nov 18, 2003

subabooba said:

I doubt this so much, it's hardly worth telling you so.
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Obviously another 250cc babyblade owner.

Nev..

Knobdoodle · Nov 18, 2003

Iain Chalmers said:

http://www.mightymedia.com.au/~bigiain/econo_mono.jpg
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That's BT taking all his lead-acid batteries down to Tarago!

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

James Mayfield said:

We all do.

You sit there in your little steel cages. That makes you cagers.
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I'll take the cage with a nice stereo and a/c in a tropical downpour thank
you.

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Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Knobdoodle · Nov 18, 2003

Conehead said:

waves hand......blows horn
Harpo Marx
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Blows horn, wipes hand.
Marxsturbion.

Nev.. · Nov 18, 2003

Manning said:

I gather that that was a witty attempt to try and suggest that my original
post means I must too, be a wanker. Fair enough, thank you for your profound
and insightful contribution to this discussion.

We look forward to more enlightenment from your sophisticated mind
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Ummm, no I think he was referring to your hypocritical use of broad
generalisations... but if you think it's because you're a wanker, well...

Nev..

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

Damien said:

That's because it's so much more fun to sit back and watch car people do it
for us! Even when you know you're being trolled, you still isn't on biting
the hook time after time...you're almost as bad as me!

Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600
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But it's fun.

Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000 (rusted)-> CL3500/4300 (gave to mum)-> GH2600 (blown up in police
chase)-> S2A2300/3000 (lost it somewhere in the backyard) -> GJ1600/2000
(possesed by Satan)->RR3500/3900 (brought back by the pope) ->GQ4200 (cut
back off)

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

Nev.. said:

Obviously another 250cc babyblade owner.

Nev..
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Bloody crap cartoons

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Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

Manning said:

A couple of things aren't true in the above - the guy rallying the idea to
post the thread to irriate car drivers wasn't me, although I posted the
original thread to aus.cars. I posted because actually got interested in the
idea as a legitimate question. Most of the folks at aus.motorcycles said it
would be regarded as trolling. Some folks at aus.cars have seen it that way,
others didn't. That's life on usenet.

Also, there have been some excellent answers and I (the originator of the
original thread) have acknowledged that fact directly to the people
concerned. people will always make pedantic side comments on any thread on
usenet, that is hardly unique to motorcyclists or any other group.

A few other people also criticised me for generalising in my original post
(which I was indeed guilty of) and I accepted the criticism without question
and then rephrased my question.

Who got burnt? I didn't - I've enjoyed this thread and learnt a few things I
didn't know before.

That was Nev, and he's always grumpy.

So in summary - I've enjoyed this thread. You've got some intelligent and
articulate folks over here at aus.cars, and I've enjoyed reading their
thoughts. I've also had some of my own prejudices corrected, and I'm glad
for that. I'm disappointed that some of you are so determined to view it as
an 'us vs them' scenario - we all share the road and we all get different
things out of it.

Regards
Manning
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I got 2 tech screws last week.

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Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Deevo · Nov 18, 2003

Fletch said:

Why does the guy in a bog stock gemini drag me in a flash looking turbo
commodore ? It ain't always about winning.
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What I'd like to know was why some kid, must have been only 20 or so, in the
passenger seat of a red V8 VN or VP Commodore was hanging out the window
cheering after he and his mate had blown past me on the highway. I was
driving my automatic Gemini (aka the shopping trolley) at the time.

What was he trying to prove I wonder.
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Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie

Jiz · Nov 18, 2003

I had this experience once in the US - I owned a Honda NS400R from Canada
and some kids in a hotted up mustang dragged me down the highway - hehe

I let em get in front then I passed him on one wheel doing close to 100mph

Damn that was fun - those were the days.

Deevo · Nov 18, 2003

reg-john said:

"Baron Von Rotter" <> crapped on in message

blah blah blah. bikes are quicker, we know that. sometimes its fun to see
how insecure they are by revving our cars, most of them normally fly off as
fast as possible jsut to prove they have big balls or soemthing. and they
win by miles! who cares?
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More likely tryiing to avoid having some idiot trying to knock you over.
One area where cars do have an advantage is that they usually do more damage
when they hit something.
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Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie

Deevo · Nov 18, 2003

Nah, wankers are people who can't find their 'shift' key, and only put one
space after a full-stop.
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Where is Corks anyway?
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Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 18, 2003

Manning said:

Ride a bike for a few days and see if you still agree with your statement. A
skilled rider scans his mirrors every 2-3 seconds so we know what is behind
us, but we do not like having anything at the side of us where we are most
vulnerable to random movements. Car drivers are all too infrequently poor
judges of braking distance, and they frequently fail to see a motorcycle
anyway, so we don't like having anything behind us either (a common reason
why we will lane split even when we can't get to the front of the pack - it
protects our rear.)
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Car drivers may often fail to see bikes because some bikes don't give them
time to see them, they assume everybody else in traffic is in Nintendo
reflex mode, then wonder why they get wiped out by some guy who's crime is
to have a back indicator bulb fail.
Then again I've seen a bike try and drive straight ahead through a box
trailer turning a corner, because he came up lane splitting too fast to
notice it's indicator. I've also seen another using the bus lane assume that
the turning bus will not use more than one lane and eat a picket fence for
his quest to get to work on time.

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Pat
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