Bike/Car Drags - why do you bother?

With respect it was you that made the 'why do you all do x stupid thing'
statement, not the originator. The question was about the attitudes of SOME
drivers not all and is still has validity. No one has denied there are SOME
dickheads on two wheels though through sheer numbers there are a lot more on
four.

Anyway I digress from the point, the reason that so many car types consider
such a question a "troll" is less due to the question itself than the
likelihood that in thinking about it you realize that if you are honest,
with yourself at least, you may not like what you see. At the end of the
day anyone who acts like a Pillock on the road deserves to get razzed and
even worse when he may be risking lives and that applies to two or four
wheels. If you can't, or won't, see it then you are missing the whole
point.
--
Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie

 

I sometimes wonder, I keep following such threads in the apparently vain
hope that some other intelligent conversation might eventuate. So far I've
been dissapointed.
--
Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie

 

100000% AGREE.

 

Not by the same ones as cars, when was the last time a bike hit a car
because it came up behind him like from nowhere before he changed lanes.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000 (not stolen)-> CL3500/4300 (never even considered)-> GH2600 (some
Cabbramatta locals looked at it funny once so I didn't park there)->
S2A2300/3000 (didn't come with locks or key)-> GJ1600/2000 (they'd bring it
back)->RR3500/3900 (they'd sh*t themselves when they went over 80) ->GQ4200
(just checked still there)

 

On 20/11/03 11:41 AM, in article
-berlin.de, "Iain Chalmers"
<> decided to come out from under the bed and
slurred:

Did you hire Serpico?

 

I think it's clear with that statement you don't have any clue as to the
general aus.cars demographic...

the question was trollish, it's pretty fucking obvious. Was still
alright for a minor giggle though.

Charlie

 

ahh, but that is not what you said, is it? True, bikes do operate a bit
differently from cars, but they _are_ still bound by the limits of their
physical size & acceleration. Whether those limitations are the same as cars
or different, bikes do still have to obey the laws of physics you know!

If you think a bike "came up from nowhere" before you changed lanes, then
chances are that you just didn't bother checking properly before doing so.
Sure, there a lot of stupid people on bikes, but at least they can use their
stupidity as a defence - if you're so smart, what's YOUR excuse? I've got a
lot more time for stupid people who just don't know any better, than for
allegedly intelligent people who should. And for the record, plenty of
accidents are caused by bikes hitting cars that "come from nowhere" -
usually by dickheads coming out of side streets without bothering to give
way. Are you actually intelligent, or do you just think you are?

Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600

 

Fritz, I know the road well, thats where the GT4 was on my case, he didnt
pass me but I have no idea how hard he was pushing. As for making a
commodore VL handle, well done ! those things are barges.. .used to own one.
Had the VL turbo, berlina, 2.5 inch exhaust, etc etc, no big mods to the
engine though. Was fast enough in standard form.

 

You might have a chance of fun with a 600 but bikes like Dave Ello's, paul
h's and a few others over the 600 cc mark will probably still nail you
rolling it on in top gear no problem, the question the rider has to contend
with is whether its worth kicking down a gear or two to do it. In most cases
it isnt.

190 - 280 km/h ROFL Id get to that and stop in time to put the kettle on
before you achieved it

all tongue in cheek of course... and err in the majority of cases, yes the
bike is not cornering because the rider is not capable, but in the end as
Ive asserted before, 4 contact patches are always better than 2, meaning a
well driven sportscar and a well ridden sportsbike matched together, Id put
my money on the car if the road was twisty but if there were any half decent
straights, Id back the bike.

 

"Dave Ello" wrote

I thought it was Shell that made Helix. Surely there's a copyright on
the word.

Theo

 

30-40km/h on a 3 lane freeway, me in left lane, he comes from middle
lane across the back of me, up the emergency lane, across my front,
back into middle lane which was travelling faster than mine, goes to
lane split down middle/right lane and clips the RR of Datsun 120Y.
A few mins later the same bloke now with a badly bent left handlebar
and no left footpeg is at it again, I thought I was on a James Bond
film set

Its only one example of course and this bloke was acting the idiot but
it could happen to a rider who looses concentration at just the wrong
time, which is how many accidents occur.

hehe, i'm cheap, just chuck a Mars thru the window

Yep, common courtesy. Doesn't happen to often in Aus, but its wide
spread in the UK were the roads are generally smaller and congested.

 

should be more like you eh Smee?

Charlie

 

He was weaving and lane splitting. Granted he wasn't actually in
between vehicles at the time but he was in the process of doing so. If
he had stayed in the lane and kept an appropriate distance he wouldn't
have collided.

 

No. He just doesn't at all.


Regards

Dene Oehme
"The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist"

 

Charlie
I don't think I know!

 

About time you cracked open the window to vent some of those exhaust fumes,
isn't it?

Damien
GPX250 (stolen) -> CBR600

 

err no, lets not get all nostalgic and lose the plot, it really doesn't make me
feel wistful and in need of a dose of kiwi pete hallucinogenic induced ranting

JL

 

Are you constantly checking for vehicles moving up to 40kph faster than you,
ducking in and out behind other vehicles? I'm sure the average fruit truck
driver doesn't focus on that possibility all day.

Plenty of accidents are caused by cars hitting cars coming from nowhere,
don't be so non-intelligent to think bikes are selected for any reason.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:00:38 +1000

The interesting problem is "how many lanechange SMIDSYs[1] are between
cars and bikes that duck and change lanes like that?"

I don't know, I am not sure how to find out. The MCC is slowly getting
info about SMIDSY crashes, but it's like pulling teeth to get that from
the various government departments.

A fairly unreliable memory says that most same-direction crashes are not
lanechange, but either front/rear (usually car into back of bike) or
bike overtaking car as it is turning right.[2]

It seems obvious that a bike being fast and unpredictable is a hazard
because it is doing the unexpected and is narrow enough to fit in the
many blindspots of a car, but is it true? And how many bikes are
*doing* that on a consistent basis? We see them, because they stand
out, but are they the majority?

Zebee

[1] Sorry Mate I Didn't See You

[2] My reading of austlii case law (which is of itself statistically
useless as they illustrate law points and so are neither random nor
representative) is that sometimes it's obviously the bike's fault,
sometimes obviously the car, most times they were both being stupid....
Which describes most multi-vehicle crashes.[3]

[3] Except ones involving trains, trains seem to behave very predictably
and don't cut and weave and change speed suddenly. Trains aren't very
bright but they don't do stupid things.

 

Come on now Zebee, don't stuff up a good slanging match with rational debate
now.
--
Deevo

Geraldton
WA, The Nanny State (® Corks)
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie