Bike buying dilemma

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG@Toil, Feb 10, 2009.

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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Speed is relative and if you shit your pants at 130mph then 130mph is
    fast.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Feb 11, 2009
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    jok Guest


    Are you in the girls ring?
     
    jok, Feb 11, 2009
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    Fr Jack Guest

    .... take some imodium and give it more beanage?
     
    Fr Jack, Feb 12, 2009
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    TMack Guest

    He struggles feebly to rise from the canvas but to no avail....
     
    TMack, Feb 12, 2009
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    dog Guest

    lolz++
     
    dog, Feb 13, 2009
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    crn Guest

    Dont forget those of us who just enjoy pootling around in no particular
    hurry. What is so wrong with the laid back attitude to life.
     
    crn, Feb 13, 2009
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    M J Carley Guest

    This is the attitude that leads to people being unable to express
    themselves with precision.
     
    M J Carley, Feb 20, 2009
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    darsy Guest

    I'm with Simian on this one. And Wittgenstein - "the meaning of a word
    is its use in the language".

    And old Ludwig knew a bit about language.
     
    darsy, Feb 20, 2009
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    Jérémy Guest

    Wittgenstein (I assume, I know nothing about him) had the good sense to
    express this idea, and all his others, in words and grammatical structures
    which had been established by convention, acknowledging implicitly the
    limitations of his thesis. Humpty Dumpty ("a word means what I want it to
    mean") took the idea a little further, and demonstrated the problem with
    replacing convention with indifference or personal preference.

    There is nothing more boring than discussing the meaning of words when you
    would rather be using them to discuss something else. There is nothing more
    pathetic than excusing ones inability to use conventionally correct
    language by asserting individual license. And there is nothing more
    impressive than elegant use of lingustic convention to express an idea
    which has intrinsic value.
     
    Jérémy, Feb 20, 2009
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    Alex Ferrier Guest

    **** that for a game of soldiers.
     
    Alex Ferrier, Feb 20, 2009
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    dog Guest

    what about:

    "ur mom lol"
     
    dog, Feb 20, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    I've got an idea for you: Wah wah wah.
     
    ogden, Feb 20, 2009
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    Jérémy Guest

    Heh.
     
    Jérémy, Feb 20, 2009
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    M J Carley Guest

    No it's not: otherwise the legal system couldn't operate.
    Precision is always important if you want to be understood correctly.
     
    M J Carley, Feb 21, 2009
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    des Guest

    This is quite possibly one of the most inane statements I've ever read,
    on UKRM or anywhere else, for that matter.

    D.
     
    des, Feb 21, 2009
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    Jimac Guest

    Simian wrote in uk.rec.motorcycles:
    IME, it is often the listening that is imprecise. I find it very
    frustrating and annoying when people assume I mean something other than
    what I actually say.
     
    Jimac, Feb 21, 2009
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    True, a High Court judge always turns first to the OED. The definitions
    often feature several alternatives, though. So, clearly, words have
    different meanings depending on the context. When the evidence gets in
    to technical areas, it can go beyond simple cases where the context is
    obvious. Hence, Simian's mention of jargon. The legal system isn't short
    of that. Consider the word nuisance, for example. What is the
    'definition' of that word?


    BTW, I'm sure Mr Carley isn't arguing the exact opposite of Simian.

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    Pete Fisher, Feb 21, 2009
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    ogden Guest

    Go easy on him, he's just having a yellow day.
     
    ogden, Feb 22, 2009
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  19. But you're okay with incorrect use, yes? Not using capital letters
    where they would be "correct" indicates this.
    And the OED is with you and Simian.
    Old Ludwig knew a lot about a lot.
     
    vulgarandmischevious, Feb 23, 2009
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    Jérémy Guest

    It seems he wrote in German, so I wouldn't either.
    Oh go on - I was trying to make a reductio ad absurdum more interesting.
    I'll acknowledge it was a bit cheap though.
    I agree, etymology can be fascinating. But I meant something different.
    After a weekend skiing (yeah!) I've rather lost the train of thought, but I
    think I was thinking of, for example, the sterile conversations I sometimes
    have in my line of work about "knowledge sharing" and "knowledge
    management"; both are so poorly defined in general usage, especially in
    relation to each other, that I often have to start by establishing what I
    mean by the terms. Some people would rather discuss the definitions forever
    rather than getting them out of the way in order to explore the
    implications of the concepts they represent.
    Absolutely, and the cultural context of words is an important part of the
    richness of language. I would argue though that you have to be able to use
    language precisely in order to make the best use of the cultural context.
    Particularly in humour or satire, a deliberately incorrect construction or
    malapropism has to be recognisable as deliberate.
    Whatever's appropriate. Or creatively inappropriate. Which is why
    "LTSTPRU" is rarely funny, but "ur mom lol" up there was.
     
    Jérémy, Feb 23, 2009
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