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Once again, you are mixing people of a certain religion (Muslims) with
specific ethnic groups. This is your mistake.

I might well.

I have. See above. You seem incapable of differentiating between race
and religion.

Just how many different Muslim races do you think there are in the
Middle East? I can think of four instantly, and I'm sure there are more.

 

(The Older Gentleman) wrote in

Bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that your bluster about differentiating race and
religion is belied by the use of a particularly insensitive and derogatory
name for these people, whatever their race or religion.

 

How do you know? Given circumstances, degrees of pissedness and will to
live, I might well.

Ah. You're getting there. At least you're now acknowledging that there
*may* be a difference.

I might well plead guilty to being insulting and derogatory about
someone's religion.

But that's not the same as race, is it? Which is what you went
chuntering on about.

Are we understanding yet, or still twiddling the hula hoop?

 

I refer to the folk to their face in the Yacht Club in Herne Bay and
Whitstable as Rag Tops when folk[1] from the ski club would use their
power boats as safety boats during the Yacht Club regatter. I think I
was called a petrol head or smoker, I can't remember which?

I think all were offensive terms but we still drunk together.

[1] Including me, I was the secretary for a while.

 

(The Older Gentleman) wrote in

You're not coming on one of our curry nights. At least you seem to be
coming round to accepting that using those sort of terms towards people
isn't normal acceptable behaviour if you feel you'd need to be pissed or
suicidal to do it.

I simply requoted something I'd written in a previous post which
you hadn't addressed. Colour me unsurprised.

This is a red herring which you introduced to distract attention from your
use of an offensive appellation. It's the individual who feels insulted,
not their race or religion.

 

Which all sounds light hearted enough.

 

Heh, well yes.

If I say I'll say something to someone then I will. If I say I won't
then get pissed it's elevated to "more than likely".

 

WOT!
Bloody Rag Tops getting in the way in the bloody ski lane.
Don't they know the bloody rules they don't!

I'm remembering a pleasant few hours spend over a couple of days
drifting in my power boat in the sun from a point two miles out from
Whitstable throwing old oranges overboard every 15 minutes. The idea
was, (we were paid to do it by the council), to prove the effluent from
the new out-fall would not come back on the beaches.

That's why a load of old oranges ended up on Margate's St Mary's Bay.

 

Agreed. However TOG is an educated [insert derogatory term of choice here]
who knows better.

 

I can live with the social stigma.

Jesus, it's like trying to explain quantum physics to Postman Pat.

Ah. Now shall we list all the questions I asked that you left unaswered?

*YES!*

Give the monkey a coconut (or a shagged Commando big end).

The creature has finally understood the difference between a general or
personal insult, and racism.

 

Erm, actually, this means that if you get pissed you're *less* likely to
chance yer arm.

 

One ought to remember that a red cross on a white bacground is widely
associated with the Cursades, which are not generally well thought of in
the middle east.

A lot of the crosses in various flags are of specific Christian origin: I
don't know whether that applies to the Swiss flag. I can understand that
some Muslims might wish to avoid Christian symbolism: I'm sure many
Christians would equally wish to avoid using the symbols of other faiths.

 

(The Older Gentleman) wrote in

Except the particular example of your offensive appelation involves an
item of apparel particular to that persons race/religion ( I won't be
drawn into your false distinctions here) so shove your general
racist/religionist insult up your arse dickhead.

That's personal by the way.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Verdigris

Whereas we atheists will (in a tight corner) accept assistance from
anyone who offers it, regardless of symbology.

Marvellous, really.

--
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I meant it to read (and I think it still does) that if I say I will, I
will irrespective of alcohol intake. If I say I won't - I won't but if I
then get pissed there's always a good chance that I will.

Not that it matters.

 

Good point. *Good* point.

I'm with Nigel on this one.

 

Sikhs, the Celestials and others will be very interested to hear that.
Oh, wait, I've made that point already.

And there are, of course, many other races that are Muslim. So which
race are you referring to exactly?[1]

I hate to jog your torpid memory again, but I've already pointed out
that insulting a Christian is not an insult to any particular race, no
more than is insulting a Muslim.

Look, you're being trolled along marvellously here. You really ought to
learn to marshal a few more coherent points, leavened with the odd
imaginative insult, instead of making silly mistakes, repeating points
that have been proven wrong, and generally....

Well, generally being out-generalled, out-thought, out-fought and
out-argued.

Now carry on sdtamping your little foot, because it raises such pretty
clouds of dust.

[1] Look, you'll never manage to think of more than one or two, so I'll
list the ones that come immediately to mind: Arab, Asian (at least three
different types and probably more), Semitic, black African (innumerable
different races, so I'll just mention the Berber in North Africa and the
Fulbe in Nigeria) and of course the small number of Saxon and other
white races who have converted.

 

Me neither, but its similarity to the various Savoie/savoy flags seems
to imply a common origin.

Doesn't really explain its origin, though. I've just asked a Swiss
colleague who says he'll try and find out.

 

Ace says...

They reversed the Red Cross flag

HTH

 

http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/history-flag-switzerland.html
gives more detail.

"In the 13th century, the German emperor carried with him a flag with
the cross as a holy sign, understanding himself as a protector of
christianity. Besides, he also carried a blood-red flag as a sign of
his power over life and death."

and

"The region of Schwyz in central Switzerland, one of the three
founding members of the Old Swiss Confederacy, and the one, whose name
was later in history used to denote the confederacy as a whole, was
granted immediacy in 1240 and carried a red flag from the middle of
the 13th century on (yet still without the white cross). In 1289 they
supported King Rudolf of Habsburg in a war against Burgundy and
received as a recognition the right to represent the crucifixion of
Christ and the tools used to torture him in the upper right field on
their flag. Originally they painted this symbol on parchment and
fastened it on the banner. Only later the cross symbol was painted
directly on the banner. "