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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Hog, Oct 8, 2003.

  1. Hog

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  2. Hog

    Wik Guest

    Err, no, ta.

    Last time I saw some footage from one of these events, the aircraft (a
    MiG-29) was looking rather rough around the edges.

    Not to mention the state of the airfield it was operating from; foot-high
    tufts of grass from between cracks in the apron and runway...
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    Wik, Oct 11, 2003
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    ß Ø ® G Guest


    kind of reminds me why the Russians used 'low tech' in their planes,
    not because they couldn't afford it but they knew if a A bomb went off
    the EMP would knock the US planes out of the sky so they used valves
    and tubes, still think though that a EMP would take them out as well


    The best though is the US spending $17 million on making a pen that
    would right in space and all its differences to earth, and the
    Russians just took pencils


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    ß Ø ® G, Oct 12, 2003
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  4. Utter bollocks.

    They didn't use them because they couldn't make them: simple as that.

    Years ago, I remember watching a TV documentary about he Russian "space
    grveyard" - where they kept all the half-finished rockets, satellites,
    unused stuff, you name it. They never threw anything away.

    The TV crew brought along one of the Yanks who'd been on the Apollo
    missions to the moon, and they unearthed the half-finished Russian lunar
    lander for their moonshot that Apollo 11 scooped. It looked like the US
    version, as you might expect, but it was for one man, while the other
    member of the two-man crew stayed in the command module, orbiting the
    moon.

    It was unpressurised. The cosmonaut was to stand throughout the descent,
    in his space suit.

    All the attitude jets were mechanical. Yes, *mechanical*, operated
    through levers and cables, via two big levers that looked for all the
    world like old-fashioned railway signalbox controls.

    The Yank's face was an absolute picture. He stood in this thing, and
    waggled the big levers, twisted the twistgrips on them, etc etc, and in
    tones which even the TV soundtrack managed to convey as tones of utter
    awe said: "Yeah, this would work. This would have worked. Incredible. No
    way would I ever have gone in one of these. These were very, very brave
    men....."

    We used to laugh and say that Lada cars and Russian cameras were like
    that because they diverted all the good stuff and all the valuable
    components to the military. We didn't realise that the military stuff
    was just as crap. Only difference was that there was a lot of it.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 12, 2003
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  5. Hog

    ß Ø ® G Guest



    he he he, yer seeing some of their military hardware I know what you
    mean


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    ß Ø ® G, Oct 12, 2003
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    Once attended a talk by some chap from the Centre for Defence studies,
    whilst at Northwood, and standard Soviet policy, should a General need
    1000 tanks, was to order 2000, on the basis that they'd probably be
    able to get a thousand viable vehicles that way.

    Factories were paid up front, too, iirc.

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    Pip Guest

    Oddly enough, in "high-end" hi-fi circles (where people spend
    thousands where we would wince at hundreds), Russian military spec -
    or yet better, genuine unused ex-military radio valves are highly
    prized and much sought after. There is a (comparatively) thriving
    industry producing exact copies of Russian milspec valves to be used
    as replacements in amplifiers costing tens of thousands to buy in the
    first place.

    Must be nice to have golden ears.

    I bet Motorhead sounds better at 11 on my rig, though ;-)
     
    Pip, Oct 12, 2003
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    Simian Guest

    Pip :
    This tells me something, and it has little to do with the valves...

    Valve guitar amps, on the other hand, sound gorgeous.
     
    Simian, Oct 12, 2003
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  9. Hog

    Pip Guest

    How two words that are so close can be so far apart:
    "valve" <--------------------------------------------------> "value"

    SOVTEK, for example:
    http://www.prosound.co.nz/index.htm?valves/sovtek.htm~mainFrame
    Valve hi-fi amps sound gorgeous too. Sweet, mellifluous and free from
    the harshness and grit that afflicts solid state amps. Nice for
    acoustic and classical music at sensible to medium volume. Struggle
    like **** with big power-hungry speakers and high volumes, though -
    unless you spend a _lot_ of cash ...

    http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/jd3000a.html
    6 thousand dollars ...

    https://athena.safe-order.net/decware/Monoblocks/zmono.htm
    6 Watts ...

    Oh, to dream, eh?

    Did you ever do that Arcam thing?
    The: http://www.aslgroup.com/arcam/av8p7.htm thing?
     
    Pip, Oct 12, 2003
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  10. Darren Robinson, Oct 12, 2003
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  11. Hog

    Simian Guest

    Pip :
    If there's any harshness and grit coming out of my amp, it was present
    at the input as well. The reason I like valve guitar amps is that they
    allow you to chose how much of the distortion is harmonic, and how much
    is not. If I wanted to amplify a classical guitar, I'd choose a solid
    state amp without question.

    *sniff* no. As soon as I had decided to put up with my aging amp for 6
    months while saving up for the Arcam bits, it died with a blue spark
    and puff of smoke. So I spent the cash I already had on one of these:

    http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=1547&taxonomy_id=62-98

    Not as nice, but the minute I put on one of Beethoven's string quartets, I knew
    we were going to be happy together. I do still need a front-center speaker and a
    sub-woofer tho.
     
    Simian, Oct 12, 2003
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  12. Hog

    Simian Guest

    Darren Robinson :

    Currently, my amp is playing in stereo, with the volume set at -10dB.
    This means that the peak output at of one of the sets of speaker
    terminals will be about 15W.

    In normal listening (conversation possible, just), the amp will be set
    to -25dB, which is about 0.5W per channel, at the speaker terminals.

    But that 15, or 0.5 watts is absolute peak, the majority of the signal
    will be below 1/4-1/2 of the peak (depending on what you're listening
    to).

    So a 6 watt power output is not actually that bad to start with.

    The reason a 6 watt valve amp will sound louder than a 6 watt tranny
    amp is that the amount of amplification a valve can produce is up to 3
    times the amount they will be required to produce in an amplifier design.
    Valves are very non-linear devices, their input/output curve goes
    something like:

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    Simian, Oct 12, 2003
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  13. <snip erudite, yet effective explanation>

    Ta muchly.
     
    Darren Robinson, Oct 12, 2003
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